013 - Health Movement Podcast - Jess Wilson - Functional Nutritionist - Lover of Life!!

[00:00:00] Welcome back to yet another episode of the Health Movement Podcast. This is episode 13 and I can't believe we're still going strong with this. We have a lot more left for you all. But I just want to let you know if you're listening on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, whatever audio version of the podcast you're listening to, you can watch the video version of the podcast over on YouTube, the Health Movement Podcast. It's over there. And if you need help with coaching, help with anything nutrition wise, you want to ask any questions,

[00:00:30] hop over to the website healthmovement.us. You can reach us there. All right, let's get the show started. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Health Movement Podcast. We have a very special guest with us today. But before we introduce her, my name is Derek. I'm a two sport collegiate athlete, teacher of over 20 years and a certified personal trainer.

[00:01:00] I'm Tim, I'm an athletic trainer, national registered EMT and a wellness coach.

[00:01:05] And as always, we're not doctors. So before you begin any new programming or nutritional changes or anything like that, please consult your doctor. But without any further ado, I want to introduce our guest Jess Wilson from Perth, Australia, which we're outside of Boston. So this is definitely across the globe for us.

[00:01:26] She's a functional nutritionist, motivational speaker, a health coach, but most importantly, she is a lover of light. Thank you for joining us, Jess.

[00:01:34] Thanks for having me guys. I'm so excited.

[00:01:37] Yeah, we appreciate it. Right now it's eight o'clock for us at night. It's eight in the morning for you. So this is, I'm glad we could find a time that, that worked for everybody here.

[00:01:47] Well, I'm an early riser. I'm a big believer in the morning ritual. So I've been up since five. So it's kind of middle of the morning.

[00:01:53] Great. Perfect. Perfect. Do you have a fitness thing you do in the morning? Is that, or is it coffee?

[00:01:58] Yeah, it's something that I teach as well, like, you know, the discipline of a good morning ritual, not just your fitness and your exercise, but even down to things like your hydration, like your intention setting or your goal setting for the day.

[00:02:10] And we've got to kind of do it as we're moving sometimes, you know, like I might be out on a walk and I might be doing it in my mind, but I do have a pretty set morning ritual.

[00:02:20] Oh, that's good. That's good. And I know Tim, Tim, I agree with the two, but he preaches hydration a lot.

[00:02:27] And routine. I think routine is a big, is a big piece of that too. Consistency.

[00:02:32] You know, I really, I really like the word ritual over routine because I feel like a ritual is something that you look forward to it. It has a real positive association with that word. A ritual feels really kind of deep and nourishing. And, you know, it's kind of like using the word movement instead of exercise. Somehow the brain receives that differently.

[00:02:54] But yeah, the morning ritual, even down to the way I brew my coffee. And I just think that when you have that, it's such a solid foundation for the way that you start your day.

[00:03:03] Oh, I like that. I like that. We're going to have to, we're going to have to remember that one.

[00:03:07] Do you get thrown off if any of those rituals get interrupted or, you know, you have to adapt to them at all?

[00:03:14] Well, I mean, I like to think I'm pretty adaptable and flexible, but I, you know, I'm also a human being and I love my coffee. So if I didn't get my, I'm not sure how the day would go, you know, it's not my best nutrition advice, but.

[00:03:28] It's a little thing.

[00:03:30] Yes. Happiness is important that we all need our little vices. I think coffee is an okay one there.

[00:03:36] Yeah. Um, you had done some articles on LinkedIn that I saw one of them that, that really, um, I, I, I was impressed with, and I think it's super important as you, you wrote something on the dark side of weight loss.

[00:03:50] Um, and I didn't know if you wanted to give just a quick summary of what that covered. And then maybe we can jump into some more, more of the details on that.

[00:03:59] Yeah, for sure. I probably asking to pick my brains a bit. That article was a couple of months ago, but I think.

[00:04:05] No, that's okay.

[00:04:06] One of the things that I'm really trying to highlight and the work that we do really as functional practitioners is just highlighting the danger of the quick fix.

[00:04:18] And it's something that we don't want to hear. We don't want to hear that it's hard work and it's discipline and it takes time. And, you know, and I was touching in that article, not just on the effects of things like a Zempic and the new weight loss drugs,

[00:04:33] but just rapid weight loss in general, uh, any of those extreme methods. So I was talking in the article about, you know, whether it was the GLPs or the Zempics or the, you know, the weight loss drugs,

[00:04:45] whether it's extreme calorie restriction, you know, a lot of people going on these long kind of like juice cleanses and all of that.

[00:04:53] And in addition to the biological side effects, which we can talk about in a minute, I think one of the biggest pieces that gets missed in all of that is addressing the root cause of why we gain the weight in the first place.

[00:05:07] It's those habits and behaviors and trigger points, you know, emotional eating, comfort eating.

[00:05:13] We're not addressing any of that. And if we're not addressing any of that, then we're really just feeding that poor relationship with food by using these alternative therapies.

[00:05:25] And I'm not saying that they don't have a place. They absolutely have a place.

[00:05:29] But I think without doing the therapeutic work underneath and creating safety and stability in the body on a physical level.

[00:05:38] So making sure we don't gain the weight again, you know, because we've actually done it in a safe and secure way,

[00:05:44] but it's also creating safety and security for the nervous system so that we don't then rub a band right back into those unhealthy habits.

[00:05:53] Because that itself, what I'm seeing a lot now, people that lose a significant amount of weight by using these extreme methods and then rapidly gain that weight again afterwards,

[00:06:05] because they haven't done that foundational work from a mental health perspective, that is really dangerous.

[00:06:14] Does that make sense?

[00:06:15] Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

[00:06:17] I think that people I've talked to, you know, you want to lose 50 pounds in a month.

[00:06:24] They don't want to take the time.

[00:06:27] And then if you look at like our longevity and you look over years and years and years, like in 30 years from now,

[00:06:33] does it matter if the weight came off in five or two months or if it came off in two years?

[00:06:40] There's going to be a huge difference if you take your time and do it the right way, because A, you're going to be able to maintain that weight loss that you had because you did it the right way and you developed healthy habits and you had a lifestyle change,

[00:06:52] which is where you need to get to as opposed to just, you know, like you said, the Ozempic or some of the drugs where it's a quick weight loss, but you never learned how to get down there.

[00:07:03] Absolutely. And I think this is really highlighting a society issue, though, where we are, you know, when I'm coaching our relationship with food, it's a similar sort of thing.

[00:07:12] It's this overinflated view that we have of wanting everything now.

[00:07:20] Right. I think that we've lost a bit of reality.

[00:07:24] I think that we live in a world where we just want these quick fixes and we want it now and we're impatient and we're always moving to the next thing and the next thing and nothing's ever good enough.

[00:07:34] And we're not those foundational grassroots health habits.

[00:07:38] Tim, you'll know this, you'll resonate with this.

[00:07:40] But those foundational grassroots health habits that do build over time and they do sustain us long term.

[00:07:47] We're just constantly looking for workarounds to that.

[00:07:51] And the reason for that is because we are all over busy, over scheduled, overstressed.

[00:07:57] And so the concept of a big, long wellness plan or a long fitness journey or a long weight loss journey is simply too overwhelming for the brain because we don't have the bandwidth and the capacity to even think that far ahead.

[00:08:13] Does that make sense?

[00:08:14] So it's just immediate.

[00:08:16] What is going to help me right now in this moment?

[00:08:17] Because then I've got to move to the next thing and the next thing.

[00:08:20] And I think that this is more of a society and a lifestyle problem, even than it is an individual issue.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:27] And I think the big piece, a big piece of that is the social media aspect to that.

[00:08:33] Right.

[00:08:33] Everybody is so connected.

[00:08:35] And there's that instant gratification that comes with social media that they don't realize the work that people put in to get to these places that they are.

[00:08:45] Or the other piece to that is the misinformation or the other piece where, you know, what people are portraying isn't actually what they're actually doing.

[00:08:55] Right.

[00:08:55] And those are all aspects to this, too.

[00:09:00] But what I wanted to ask you, and this is where I think it's great for us, especially being in the United States, like having the different, the intercontinental aspect to this.

[00:09:10] We have a big problem here in the States with processed foods and, you know, the unnatural ingredients where our regulation is so different than I know that I know it's much different than that of Europe.

[00:09:24] But these are these are things that I'd like a little to get maybe a little bit of your insight on what some of the factors.

[00:09:32] I mean, we know what the because we if you know one of our first episode, we go over the obesity rates in America and and, you know, that it's not just obesity.

[00:09:42] It's the health risks that come with obesity.

[00:09:45] Right.

[00:09:45] And that speaks to the things that you're talking about with the lifestyle changes and not just I love that you said the movement, not the exercise.

[00:09:54] Right.

[00:09:54] Like it is just you just need to move yourself.

[00:09:56] And I think people people get so they put that into a box of I need to go to the gym and I need to do these things.

[00:10:05] And it's it's it is what you make it.

[00:10:09] The brain will avoid pain.

[00:10:10] Right.

[00:10:10] Remember that that one of the biggest motivators for the, you know, psyche is to avoid pain at all costs.

[00:10:16] So when it feels like it's going to be big and heavy and sweaty and difficult, we're already like resistance points.

[00:10:21] And you're so you're so right, Tim, you know.

[00:10:24] And I think what you are what you were saying or what you were asking there around this processed foods and the obesity epidemic.

[00:10:32] One of my favorite things to raise controversially.

[00:10:36] Hope you don't mind getting a bit controversial in this podcast.

[00:10:39] Are we overfed or are we overtoxed?

[00:10:43] Because I think that we are seeing a new type of weight gain that is coming from toxins in processed foods.

[00:10:52] Now, obviously, you know, nutritional arguments, calories, calories, calories.

[00:10:57] But I see this all the time where people are like, well, I'm not even really eating that much.

[00:11:01] But what they're eating is so full of toxins that the body has no other alternative but to store that in excess fat cells in order to protect itself.

[00:11:09] So I think that the the processed food epidemic is huge.

[00:11:13] And I know in America, obviously, you guys probably have it worse, you know, than than the rest of us in terms of regulation.

[00:11:20] And I think one of the difficult things and can we just touch on this for a minute for some compassion for people and for people to have self-compassion for themselves as they're listening to this and learning.

[00:11:33] We've been sold something as safe.

[00:11:37] Right.

[00:11:38] That's a great point right there.

[00:11:39] Can we just touch on that for a minute that it is not all our fault and our choices.

[00:11:44] And yes, it's our responsibility.

[00:11:45] I would love to touch on that later in this podcast as a motivational piece.

[00:11:49] Like it's always our responsibility to do something about it when we know.

[00:11:53] But we've been sold that these things are food.

[00:11:57] We've been sold that it's safe.

[00:11:58] And the rapid rates of obesity and type 2 diabetes and all of these neurological conditions in children, the autism, the ADHD, you know, this is stuff that we're seeing.

[00:12:10] A lot of people are not making that connection back to their food because they trust the food that they buy.

[00:12:17] If it's there and it's available on a supermarket shelf and it's advertised on the TV and, you know, you know, maybe it's it's it's in a brown box.

[00:12:25] So therefore, it must be healthy.

[00:12:26] We trust that.

[00:12:27] We don't question it.

[00:12:29] And I think that the toxic load of the food that's being eaten is one of the things that is significantly contributing to the rapid weight gain.

[00:12:41] In addition to overconsumption of calories, I think it's also that that's that's adding to it.

[00:12:46] And so people are at the end and I'll finish on this.

[00:12:49] But people are at the end of the road where they're like, I don't know what else to do, but just take this weight loss drug because it's like a snowball effect.

[00:12:56] I'm just gaining and gaining and gaining weight.

[00:12:58] And I don't know.

[00:12:59] I don't have the education.

[00:13:00] So it's a very appealing tool to stop that runaway train.

[00:13:05] But again, with those weight loss drugs, we have not been given any education on the side effects and the long term effects.

[00:13:13] Even if you look at things like a Zempick and the gastroparesis, what's happening in terms of how the gut freezes and the stomach stops working.

[00:13:21] Like when you say it out loud, that can't be good.

[00:13:25] No, no.

[00:13:25] When you actually say it out loud, you're like, hang on.

[00:13:28] My gut has completely seized up and stopped working.

[00:13:31] Like that's going to be a problem later on.

[00:13:33] But again, it's that education piece.

[00:13:34] We trust it.

[00:13:35] We think it's safe.

[00:13:36] Right?

[00:13:37] Yeah.

[00:13:38] And we cover this a lot where we talk about eat as much whole food as you can.

[00:13:44] But looking at like calories and things like that, if you're getting $2,000 or $2,000, 2,000 calories in fast food and compare that to 2,000 calories of whole food, vegetables, chicken, rice, potatoes, whatever it happens to be.

[00:14:03] You're going to be full off the 2,000 calories of high quality food.

[00:14:07] And the other stuff, you're going to be hungry in a couple hours.

[00:14:10] Yeah.

[00:14:11] And disease free.

[00:14:12] Right?

[00:14:13] Yes.

[00:14:13] Exactly.

[00:14:14] Yeah.

[00:14:15] Absolutely.

[00:14:15] So the way that the body receives that is very different.

[00:14:19] Well, you've kind of touched on in this again, this kind of comes back to I don't know what the healthcare system like is where you are, but our healthcare system, they don't speak to those things.

[00:14:30] If you go to the doctor and they don't speak to lifestyle change, they don't speak to, well, what are you doing for what does your diet look like?

[00:14:38] Have you talked to a nutritionist?

[00:14:40] The first thing that they're going to do is give you a prescription or try to give you that magic pill that you said that people are looking for, right?

[00:14:48] And that's what people, that's the whole thing is our system is kind of fed into that where it's not just the healthcare system.

[00:14:56] It's the food industry and all of it is, it all kind of works against the consumer.

[00:15:03] And it's, it really is up to, and it goes to the motivational piece, but it's not just motivation, it's education too.

[00:15:11] And I think that's a big piece of that too.

[00:15:13] And that's a real problem that we see with, especially what I see in day to day is, is people just don't know.

[00:15:21] And it's, you know, they're looking, it's not that they're not looking for it.

[00:15:23] They just don't know, you know?

[00:15:25] And it's tough too.

[00:15:27] Oh, sorry.

[00:15:28] Go ahead, Jess.

[00:15:29] I was just saying they're confused because like you said, you know, there's so much information now out there on social media.

[00:15:34] You know, it's, it's, um, people are confused about what to eat.

[00:15:37] They're confused about what's safe and what's not safe.

[00:15:40] And ultimately, uh, where we've lost the connection as human beings is we've lost our connection back to self.

[00:15:48] Right.

[00:15:49] And I said this in a talk that I did, uh, I think it was yesterday.

[00:15:52] Your innate wisdom knows more than any doctor, any Google, any search engine, any nutritionist about your body and your innate wisdom.

[00:16:02] You know, your body's computer system is going to communicate that to you via symptoms, pain, bloating, discomfort.

[00:16:10] I don't know, brain fog, lack of energy, weight gain, you know, cardiovascular diseases, all these things.

[00:16:16] And it's going to be screaming at you and it's going to be communicating this to you long before the problem actually develops.

[00:16:22] Right.

[00:16:22] Um, but we've lost the ability to tune into that and to work with that and to actually trust ourselves and our own judgment and what we need, uh, versus outsourcing it.

[00:16:35] Because when we outsource, like you said, Tim, unfortunately, you know, the conventional model of big pharma, big medical, big food, big government is not geared for wellness.

[00:16:47] And it's particularly not geared for long-term wellness.

[00:16:52] So we have to start asking the critical questions of ourselves and start saying, well, this is not working for me.

[00:16:58] Like I don't, I don't, I'm not feeling good on this food that I'm eating and go on our own individual journeys.

[00:17:04] And I think that's very scary for people because we've lost that connection and that trust back to the fact that we actually know what's best for us.

[00:17:12] Yeah.

[00:17:12] I like the way you put that.

[00:17:14] And I was thinking about this today too, where the way people treat their bodies and what goes into it and just, you know, the effort to see, all right, if I'm eating this, this is my reaction to it.

[00:17:25] How do I do that?

[00:17:26] But I was thinking it's similar to somebody building a business from scratch.

[00:17:31] It's not going to be done in six months.

[00:17:33] Like it's going to take a long time, but you're going to be looking at, you know, what you're spending your money on, what's, you know, the part that's doing best for you.

[00:17:43] What do you have to cut out?

[00:17:44] Because that didn't work for two months, but I'm going to try it first and see what happens.

[00:17:48] I'm going to write stuff down.

[00:17:49] I'm going to take notes.

[00:17:50] But people don't really do that.

[00:17:52] And it can sound like a pain to track what you're eating.

[00:17:56] But in reality, it takes two minutes.

[00:17:58] You know, you open up an app, you write.

[00:18:01] To perception piece and this overscheduled, over busy, overstressed thing, right?

[00:18:06] Because we have, and I want to come back and just touch on some small wins in a minute, because I think, you know, we definitely have this picture that it is a long-term journey and it takes a long time to get there to build these habits.

[00:18:19] And it does.

[00:18:20] But that is not without some really immediate small wins that people can get.

[00:18:25] And I think that we don't want to paint too much of a gloomy picture around it, right?

[00:18:30] Yes.

[00:18:31] But I think, yeah.

[00:18:32] So, yeah, we'll come back to that.

[00:18:36] I think coming back to in terms of why people don't do that, if you have a conversation with someone about having scrambled eggs in the morning instead of a high-sugar breakfast cereal, they go, oh, I don't have time to make it.

[00:18:47] I don't have time to make scrambled eggs.

[00:18:49] I don't have time in the morning.

[00:18:50] I don't have time.

[00:18:51] The two biggest enemies to any healthcare regime are time and fatigue.

[00:18:58] If you ask anyone right now listening to this podcast, what are the barriers to you actually showing up and doing it different?

[00:19:05] They're going to come out with, I don't have time and I'm tired, right?

[00:19:09] So, when we workshop that, though, you know, coming back to the scrambled eggs piece and I, you know, I get kind of like attacked on Instagram a lot when I talk about eggs in the morning instead of, you know, Weetabix or something like that.

[00:19:22] I've timed this in my teenage boys because if you're arguing with me, it is two minutes.

[00:19:29] It's two minutes, right?

[00:19:31] If you have a look at your phone right now and you have a look at your average daily screen time, I don't know about you guys, but mine is, I don't even know if I want to say it.

[00:19:40] We talked about this a few episodes ago.

[00:19:43] It's bad.

[00:19:44] I'm over seven hours.

[00:19:45] I'll tell you that much.

[00:19:47] Two minutes versus seven hours on your phone.

[00:19:51] You know, it's, but it's the perception and why is the brain perceiving this as so difficult and such a big thing to do?

[00:19:59] And it's simply because our bandwidth is low.

[00:20:02] It's simply because we are just overwhelmed already.

[00:20:04] So, it's almost like we've got to pull back, take some space and reassess the situation and just quickly coming back to those small wins.

[00:20:12] I say in all of my talks, the beautiful thing about food is that it is instant, right?

[00:20:19] The results are not always instant, but the way you feel is pretty instant.

[00:20:23] If you go and eat a big, unhealthy, greasy takeaway meal, you know about it straight away.

[00:20:30] You feel it straight away.

[00:20:31] We all do.

[00:20:32] But if you go and eat a nice, beautiful, healthy steak salad for lunch, like a good, like, I don't know, nourish bowl or, you know, a good, like healing curry or something, you feel like a rock star immediately.

[00:20:42] Oh my God, I feel so good.

[00:20:43] I've got energy.

[00:20:44] Think about a time that you've gone and had, you know, a beautiful, healthy brunch on the weekend.

[00:20:49] How do you feel all day?

[00:20:50] You get so much done on a Saturday when you do that, right?

[00:20:53] So, it's even just making those tiny little connection pieces back and taking the really, really small wins.

[00:20:59] And even if you didn't lose weight that day or you didn't get your, you know, your 50 pounds in a month or whatever you're chasing,

[00:21:05] it's also adding the non-scale wins and understanding that you feeling better is your body's way of communicating.

[00:21:13] Let's do that again.

[00:21:14] Tomorrow and the next day.

[00:21:17] We had, um, we had, um, uh, woman on Sam Coop a few episodes ago who trains mothers pre and postnatal.

[00:21:24] And she was saying she did a workout, um, a plan for eight weeks.

[00:21:30] Didn't lose a pound, but lost two inches on her waist because the food was better.

[00:21:35] The workouts were there.

[00:21:36] So again, the scale lies to you.

[00:21:38] Sometimes if you're doing the things you should be doing, you're right.

[00:21:42] You're going to feel so much better.

[00:21:44] And in the end, that's, that's the best barometer, um, of success, I think is how you feel.

[00:21:51] Um, because your body tells you if you're not good.

[00:21:53] It's how you feel from a mental health perspective as well.

[00:21:56] Right.

[00:21:57] It's for me, when I tell our story, we have a very powerful story of my two boys when they were sick, when they were younger and you know how they healed through all of this.

[00:22:06] Food became a source of control and empowerment for me.

[00:22:09] We were in the medical system.

[00:22:11] You know, there was nothing, nothing in inverted commas that I could be doing for them.

[00:22:16] I was waiting for answers.

[00:22:17] I was waiting for results.

[00:22:18] It was outsourced.

[00:22:20] And when I started taking back control of our food and our health choices at home, not only does it really help in terms of how you feel, but it gives you back that sense of control over your life.

[00:22:32] Right.

[00:22:33] Right.

[00:22:33] It's that motivate, it's that like empowerment piece where you go, this is an autonomous choice that I get to make.

[00:22:39] What I put in my body is my decision.

[00:22:43] And that can feel very scary for people, but you can reframe it as a positive.

[00:22:48] It's actually so empowering.

[00:22:50] Right.

[00:22:52] Your morning ritual is something that you get to dictate.

[00:22:54] You get to create that.

[00:22:56] That's up to you.

[00:22:58] You know?

[00:22:59] Yep.

[00:23:00] I like what you had said too about, and I think you're going to touch on it later, you said, but responsibility and how it's each person's responsibility.

[00:23:08] We may have not, we don't have the full understanding that we might need to, but that's also really good news.

[00:23:16] Because if you got into a certain point because you didn't understand, then you can certainly learn and take the steps you need to and reverse the things that have happened.

[00:23:26] So you're right.

[00:23:28] It is very empowering because at the end of the day, you're the one choosing what goes in.

[00:23:33] And I know some people have talked to us about, you know, eating on a budget and things like that.

[00:23:38] Because sometimes the stuff with no additives is more expensive than the stuff that they put extra stuff, you know?

[00:23:45] But it's definitely doable.

[00:23:49] You just, you know, like anything else, you have to learn and understand it and continue with it and be consistent.

[00:23:56] Absolutely.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:57] And I think coming back even to that responsibility piece, until you take responsibility for your life or your health, until you take responsibility for your life, someone else is running your life.

[00:24:11] So until you get in that driver's seat, until you get out of the back seat and into the front seat, you might not know where you're going and you might not know how to drive that particular vehicle.

[00:24:19] But until you are in that driver's seat, somebody else is driving, right?

[00:24:24] Someone else is making those decisions and steering your ship.

[00:24:27] And the thing about responsibility when it comes to health is it's very scary for people.

[00:24:33] And there's a real kind of resistance where we go, this is your responsibility.

[00:24:37] You know, people immediately, you can almost sense the body energy where it's like, whoa, whoa, I've got enough on my plate.

[00:24:43] Like I've got enough responsibility.

[00:24:44] Don't be telling me that this is my fault, his fault, you know, sort of thing.

[00:24:48] But there's a difference between responsibility and blame, right?

[00:24:53] One is very empowering and one is not.

[00:24:56] Responsibility is action forward.

[00:24:59] Responsibility is an acceptance of the situation and going, how can I do something to move out of this stuck state?

[00:25:07] Right?

[00:25:07] It's very empowering because it gives you back control.

[00:25:10] Whereas blame, I think people confuse the two, right?

[00:25:14] Blame is a very critical, victimized, negative thinking mindset that keeps us stuck where we don't want to be because we're constantly obsessing about what we did or what we don't want or how bad we did or how hard it is or how it's all our fault.

[00:25:29] It's not productive at all to be stuck in blame.

[00:25:33] But responsibility is different, right?

[00:25:36] Responsibility is going, well, I don't understand this or, you know, whatever it is, but I'm going to, as Jocko Willink says on his podcast, I'm going to move in any direction.

[00:25:47] Right?

[00:25:48] I don't know whether dairy is good for me or not, but I'm just going to eat some vegetables today or I don't know what type of exercise I should be doing.

[00:25:55] So I'm just going to go for a walk or start moving in any direction with your health and you'll learn as you go.

[00:26:01] Yeah.

[00:26:03] Small incremental change over time, right?

[00:26:05] And I think that's a big, big piece is you, you touched on it earlier where it doesn't all have to happen overnight and it's not going to happen overnight.

[00:26:13] And I think it's, it's really just figuring out.

[00:26:17] I love that.

[00:26:19] Just move, move in any direction, right?

[00:26:21] Like just that's, that is, that's a great, that's a great outlook to have.

[00:26:26] And it's a mindset piece too.

[00:26:27] I think it is, it's trying to alter your mindset a little bit of, of knowing why you're doing it.

[00:26:35] Right?

[00:26:35] I think the, no, you try to underpin everything because that's your motivational piece, right?

[00:26:40] If you don't know why you're doing it and you're not deeply invested in that, then you probably won't sustain it.

[00:26:46] I think the other thing also is that all or nothing piece.

[00:26:49] You don't, you don't have to be all in or all out.

[00:26:52] You don't have to be like doing diet perfectly or doing the workout plan perfectly.

[00:26:57] Like there are many, many different shades of gray in there.

[00:27:01] And that's another mindset that needs to be cracked in terms of the old diet mentality of the nineties and how that set us all up to kind of think, well, if we're not doing it perfectly, then I might as well not be doing it at all.

[00:27:13] Yeah.

[00:27:14] And Tim, Tim had mentioned this earlier and we were actually just talking about it not too long ago, but you have your floor, you have your ceiling, my ceiling of what I can do fitness wise.

[00:27:24] Maybe I'm at the gym, you know, I walk to the gym, I stretch out, I do my mobility stuff.

[00:27:29] I get a good workout in and it's two hours start to finish.

[00:27:33] Come home, have a good breakfast.

[00:27:34] That's, that's my ceiling, my floor.

[00:27:36] Or I might have five minutes.

[00:27:38] So I bang out as many pushups as I can and jumping jacks until I'm exhausted.

[00:27:43] And then that's it.

[00:27:45] But at that moment, maybe that's the best I can do.

[00:27:48] And I'm going to give it everything I have for those five minutes because life doesn't come up.

[00:27:52] You only have 40% to give and you give 40%, it's a hundred percent day.

[00:27:58] That's a good way to put it.

[00:28:00] Yeah.

[00:28:00] I love the analogy of the ceiling and the floor though.

[00:28:03] I talk about negotiables and non-negotiables.

[00:28:05] I think we have to have, we have to have a line in the sand where we draw some non-negotiables

[00:28:09] with our health.

[00:28:10] So for you, it might be movement, but the degree to which you move every day may be different.

[00:28:16] And it's the same with your diet.

[00:28:18] You know, you might just go, I'm just not eating that anymore.

[00:28:23] Whatever it is.

[00:28:23] I don't know.

[00:28:24] You guys are American.

[00:28:24] I'm not eating Oreos anymore because that's my downfall.

[00:28:27] Every time I open a packet of Oreos, like, you know, that's it.

[00:28:29] You know, it could be one simple thing that is a non-negotiable.

[00:28:33] I do not do that anymore.

[00:28:34] And no matter what else happens around me, some days I'm going to be amazing and I'm

[00:28:38] going to hit my protein intake and I'm going to drink a green smoothie and I don't know,

[00:28:41] whatever.

[00:28:42] And other days I'm going to eat on the run and it's not going to be great, but I'm just

[00:28:46] not going to eat any gluten or I'm just not going to eat any Oreos, you know?

[00:28:49] And I think it's raising, got to raise the floor.

[00:28:53] I think is what I'm hearing from you because for many people, the floor is where they are

[00:28:57] at the moment, that kind of base level and it's not working.

[00:29:03] So we've just got to keep raising it slightly so that, like you said, Derek, maybe on the

[00:29:07] days where you're not doing it a hundred percent or you're not feeling it, at least

[00:29:11] you're still doing something.

[00:29:13] Yeah.

[00:29:14] And I, like you said, move it just a little bit.

[00:29:17] It doesn't have to be a huge change.

[00:29:19] And if you normally eat five cookies and you cut it down to four, that's a win right there,

[00:29:24] you know?

[00:29:25] And then the next day you can go to three or the next week or whatever it is, but you

[00:29:28] know, baby steps, you'll eventually we'll get there.

[00:29:31] I think the water happens.

[00:29:32] Yes.

[00:29:33] Yes.

[00:29:34] Definitely a lot of water.

[00:29:35] Yeah.

[00:29:36] The water, the water is in, that's why Derek brought it up earlier.

[00:29:39] I'm a, I'm big into putting, you know, and that's a big thing where, where I talk to a

[00:29:44] lot of people and there's this, there's an alarming amount of people that don't even drink any

[00:29:50] water in a day.

[00:29:51] Nevermind what they should be drinking as a daily intake, you know?

[00:29:55] So that's a, or the, I would ask people like, how, how much water do you drink in a

[00:29:59] day and they'd be like, well, I drank coffee.

[00:30:01] There's, there's water in coffee or I, you know, sometimes I'll get, there's water in

[00:30:05] beer and it's like, that's not how it works, you know?

[00:30:08] Yeah.

[00:30:09] And I think there's some jest in what they're saying, but at the same time, I also think

[00:30:13] that some people truly believe that sometimes, you know, and it's like, they just don't

[00:30:19] understand.

[00:30:19] And I think it goes back to that education piece, but at the same time, it's, I think

[00:30:24] there's a, a ignorance is bliss type of, of mentality to that sometimes too.

[00:30:30] So we live in denial.

[00:30:31] I talk about this a lot.

[00:30:33] We don't want to give up our favorite things, right?

[00:30:35] We live in that.

[00:30:36] We live in a desire based mindset.

[00:30:38] We live in denial of the things that we know are probably not good for us because we don't

[00:30:42] want to know.

[00:30:44] But you can have some of those good, you can have those things, right?

[00:30:48] Like that's the whole piece is like, you don't have to fully give it all up.

[00:30:52] And it's funny because I, I was, uh, so I don't know if you have up scouts, we have scouts

[00:30:56] here in America.

[00:30:57] So my, my son, he's a seven year old.

[00:30:59] We were at, uh, I didn't even told you this, Derek.

[00:31:01] Um, we were at, we were at scouts last night and he's seven there and they're a younger

[00:31:06] group.

[00:31:07] And the mom, uh, the, the, the, the scout leader, the, the, the troop leader, she walked up to

[00:31:13] me as they were walking in and she was like, you know, they need to, we're doing, you know,

[00:31:18] healthy eating and brushing your teeth is the, was their, you know, their badge that they're

[00:31:22] earning this week.

[00:31:24] And she was like, we need a professional.

[00:31:27] And she was like, I kind of already had you in mind, but if you would mind talking to them,

[00:31:33] she kind of threw me on the spot.

[00:31:34] Right.

[00:31:34] So I'm like, I'm trying to talk to the kids about, you know, I'm just trying to let you

[00:31:40] have a groundwork of like, what's a healthy food?

[00:31:42] What's not a healthy food.

[00:31:43] So I tried to have, all right, give me some healthy foods and they started throwing up

[00:31:47] fruits and vegetables.

[00:31:49] And, um, my little guy threw out, I was like, all right, well, what goes with fruits and vegetables?

[00:31:53] And Keegan just immediately was like protein.

[00:31:55] He threw up protein.

[00:31:57] And, um, but at the same time, then, then that, then we got about four or five foods in,

[00:32:03] and one of the kids inevitably brings up McDonald's.

[00:32:06] Right.

[00:32:07] And he says McDonald's and I'm like, all right, well, that's not a, it's not healthy.

[00:32:11] There are healthy food options at McDonald's.

[00:32:13] Not that everybody, anybody eats them, but, um, and also trying to say, all right, well,

[00:32:19] those are things that you can have sometimes maybe once in a while, but if you do them all

[00:32:25] the time, that is not healthy for you.

[00:32:27] And like, just trying to get them at a base level to understand what's healthy and what's

[00:32:32] not healthy at that age.

[00:32:33] And I was, I was really surprised, you know, a group of seven-year-olds were throwing out

[00:32:37] for the most part, pretty, pretty great, pretty great stuff.

[00:32:41] So I think that was.

[00:32:42] I mean, I think intrinsically we know just sometimes we don't want to know.

[00:32:45] I was talking, just talking about the having things.

[00:32:47] Sometimes I was doing this talk the other day, um, and I raised the issue of 80-20,

[00:32:53] you know, everything in moderation, the 80-20 rule.

[00:32:56] 80-20, if, if we were brave enough to be really honest with ourselves, the people that

[00:33:02] say they're doing 80-20.

[00:33:03] And I do this with all of my clients that are doing 80-20.

[00:33:06] They're doing 60-40, it's 50-50, right?

[00:33:09] We think it's 80-20 because that's what we've convinced our minds that I only have a little

[00:33:13] bit.

[00:33:14] But when you, if you were to actually sit down and, you know, analyze it from a nutritional

[00:33:18] perspective, it's probably more like 60-40.

[00:33:22] Yeah.

[00:33:22] Yeah.

[00:33:23] I remember.

[00:33:24] We feel bad, you know.

[00:33:26] And talking about not understanding it, I remember back in college, um, I was looking at candy

[00:33:34] because, you know, college kids don't always eat that great.

[00:33:37] And I'm like, oh, Swedish fish have no fat in them.

[00:33:40] That's great.

[00:33:41] Like, I'm not, like, that's not bad.

[00:33:43] So I can have Swedish fish.

[00:33:45] And then eventually you learn what, what all that processed sugar does to you and what it

[00:33:49] just turns into that anyway.

[00:33:51] But I remember once I made that realization, I was like, I'm such a moron.

[00:33:55] Like, how did I not know this?

[00:33:57] But like you said, you, you need the education at some point in time.

[00:34:01] And I don't think it's there.

[00:34:04] I mean, we have health class in school, but I don't, I don't think it goes into the detail

[00:34:10] we need.

[00:34:11] And that's not a knock against a health teacher or anything like that.

[00:34:13] They do try it, but I don't think it's emphasized the way it should be.

[00:34:18] Because if you're not mentally where you need to be, uh, if you're not eating well, if you're

[00:34:23] not sleeping the way you need to, it's really hard to become as successful as you possibly

[00:34:29] can.

[00:34:30] You've got to get all that, all your ducks in a row.

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:33] We're not, we're not realizing our full human potential when we don't have the base layer

[00:34:38] of health.

[00:34:39] Yeah.

[00:34:39] Yeah.

[00:34:40] We, we say there are four, four things we look at sleep, nutrition, your, your movement,

[00:34:46] and then your mindset.

[00:34:48] And you need all four of them.

[00:34:50] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:34:53] Yeah.

[00:34:53] As, as Derek drinks some water here.

[00:34:55] So I know you got to stay hydrated.

[00:34:57] I need, well, it was funny.

[00:34:58] Cause I said that to, and Derek kind of touched on our health classes here in America.

[00:35:02] Like I, I didn't learn the basic, I mean, and we had the food pyramid with, which is a

[00:35:09] straight line anyway.

[00:35:10] So, um, but all carbs at the same time.

[00:35:14] Yeah.

[00:35:14] I mean, it was, it was brutal if you look at that and it, you really should be inverted

[00:35:18] if you look at it.

[00:35:19] But, um, but at the same time, I didn't learn, I didn't learn about those things until I was

[00:35:26] in college taking my, my advanced level nutrition class.

[00:35:30] You know what I mean?

[00:35:30] Like that, those are things that I was, you know, my early twenties by the time I really

[00:35:35] understood what I should be doing on a day, day in and day out basis.

[00:35:40] And again, I, I was, I was saying to my sister-in-law when we were at the scouts thing last night

[00:35:45] where I don't remember ever drinking water before I was in college, you know, my, my son brings

[00:35:49] a water bottle with him everywhere.

[00:35:51] But like, for me, I just never, I never, you know, it wasn't part of our, it might've

[00:35:57] been because it was in the nineties and it was just a different time, but like it was,

[00:36:01] you know, I don't think it was, um, ever really discussed or talked about.

[00:36:05] And, and then that's, that was my base level knowledge going into, you know, the first two

[00:36:10] decades of my life.

[00:36:12] And that just, you know, foundationally it in, in personally in my, my journey with food,

[00:36:18] I grew up, I was a, I was a chubby kid.

[00:36:21] You know, I, I had, uh, I had a very difficult time pulling myself out of my relationship

[00:36:28] with food just because I think some of it is, uh, uh, an addiction to the sugar for sure.

[00:36:34] Like there is a very addictive chemistry quality to that, that really hooked me for sure.

[00:36:40] And I think now it's once you start eating correctly and you start eating, putting the,

[00:36:46] the, the healthier foods first, you go back to those things.

[00:36:49] And it, it almost immediately what you talk about is feeling, it feels like a poor, you've

[00:36:55] been poisoned, you know, and it's really does, you know, your, your whole body chemistry

[00:37:00] changes when you start to do these things correctly and more consistently.

[00:37:03] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:37:05] Add your mood.

[00:37:07] Yeah.

[00:37:07] Yeah.

[00:37:08] Very quickly.

[00:37:09] I think we were talking about like, oh, I have to give up this food or I have to sacrifice

[00:37:14] this.

[00:37:14] But if you weigh it against the benefits and it might not be that immediate taste, but

[00:37:21] how you feel your, your cognitive ability, uh, your stress level, everything improves.

[00:37:27] So yeah, you're giving up a little something, but the reward on the other end of that outweighs

[00:37:33] it immensely.

[00:37:34] Yeah.

[00:37:34] It's sacrifice if it heals you.

[00:37:36] Right.

[00:37:37] And, you know, and, and this is where we really have to come back to that why and those goals

[00:37:42] because when we're in, I call it, you know, it's almost like there's a small version of

[00:37:46] us and a big version of us.

[00:37:48] And when we're in that kind of needs wants based mindset, we're like, oh, it's my favorite

[00:37:52] thing and I really love it.

[00:37:53] And I don't want to give it up.

[00:37:55] And you know, all of that, that is small you talking and you will stay small in that mindset.

[00:38:00] Right.

[00:38:01] And I want to hold on to these things and whatever, but we're big you is that's the person that's

[00:38:05] chasing their goals has identified their why is really starting to visualize what their

[00:38:10] optimal human potential is.

[00:38:12] What can I achieve in my life, my career, my relationships, my, you know, any of these

[00:38:17] things, do I want to go and, you know, hike in Machu Picchu?

[00:38:21] I don't know.

[00:38:21] What are these things that you want to do in your life?

[00:38:23] And, but when you really start to think about it, that's where you come from a needs

[00:38:29] based mindset.

[00:38:29] What do I need to eat to get me there?

[00:38:31] How do I need to move to get me there?

[00:38:34] Right.

[00:38:34] It's kind of like you look at the most successful people in the world.

[00:38:38] I recently went to a breakfast with Richard Branson, you know, Richard Branson, Virgin.

[00:38:44] Yeah.

[00:38:44] Right.

[00:38:45] So classic example, him and many of them, Stephen Bartlett, like there's heaps of these guys,

[00:38:49] Tony Robbins, all of them, right?

[00:38:52] Their health and their wellness rituals are their non-negotiables.

[00:38:56] These guys are not overweight.

[00:38:58] They're not unhealthy.

[00:39:00] They are prioritizing their physical health as an absolute non-negotiable because that

[00:39:05] is the foundation of success.

[00:39:07] Right.

[00:39:08] So it's even just taking that step back and going like, yes, why do I have this attachment

[00:39:14] to these unhealthy things that are not serving me and they're keeping me small?

[00:39:18] They're keeping me stuck where I don't want to be.

[00:39:20] And yes, it's painful and scary and difficult to let them go because they're my vices or

[00:39:25] they're my comfort or, you know.

[00:39:29] But everything that I want is over here.

[00:39:33] And like you said, it's just it's reframing it as a sacrifice.

[00:39:36] And I think also people have a real perception that healthy food is boring and it's tasteless

[00:39:42] and it takes time to prepare.

[00:39:44] It's just all nonsense.

[00:39:45] But where that's come from is the fact that we've glorified junk food.

[00:39:49] So we put junk food on a big pedestal.

[00:39:51] It's like the big shiny thing under the Christmas tree that you can't touch until Friday.

[00:39:55] You know, we've really created this hype around the color and the sparkle and the taste and

[00:40:01] everything of junk food.

[00:40:02] You know, when you eat it because of all the chemicals in it, your brain lights up like

[00:40:07] a Christmas tree.

[00:40:08] Right.

[00:40:08] It's the dopamine hit.

[00:40:10] It's all the rewards going off.

[00:40:12] But what that's done is inadvertently by glorifying all of that, we've demonized healthy eating.

[00:40:20] And so healthy food is like, oh, it's like the detox I have to do twice a year or I've got

[00:40:24] to eat my vegetables or, oh, you know, we've got this real kind of like difficult mindset

[00:40:31] around it that we've created.

[00:40:32] I look at it from a place of abundance.

[00:40:35] Right.

[00:40:35] You can eat meat.

[00:40:37] You can eat fat.

[00:40:38] You can eat salt.

[00:40:39] You can eat like, you know, do you know everything tastes good when you cook it in butter and salt?

[00:40:44] Do you know how amazing vegetables taste when you cook them that way?

[00:40:47] Do you know what I mean?

[00:40:48] So it's like, I think that we've got this real skewed perception over how incredible a

[00:40:54] healthy lifestyle can actually be, not only for the benefits that it brings us, but the

[00:40:59] food tastes great.

[00:41:01] Yeah.

[00:41:02] And I think it's really important that we sell more of that benefit to people.

[00:41:05] This kind of guy, I don't ever feel like I'm lacking anything in my life.

[00:41:09] I had a huge, great big steak last night.

[00:41:11] It was amazing.

[00:41:12] You know, I don't know what everybody's talking about.

[00:41:18] That's great.

[00:41:18] That's great.

[00:41:19] And I did see, you did have another article about 10 surprising health habits of highly

[00:41:24] motivated people, which I think goes to what you were saying.

[00:41:28] You know, your health, you said treat your health as sacred in there, which is huge.

[00:41:35] I did love your last point on there was intentionally have fun.

[00:41:40] That is huge.

[00:41:42] Can you touch on that at all?

[00:41:45] Well, I mean, I think for people that love the science behind things, you know, the body

[00:41:52] produces something called oxytocin, which is our joy hormone, right?

[00:41:56] Oxytocin is another word for joy.

[00:41:58] And oxytocin is one of the only hormones that's produced directly in the hippocampus of the

[00:42:03] brain and floods immediately into the bloodstream.

[00:42:06] Whereas a lot of other hormones, even things like your cortisol, your stress hormones, your

[00:42:11] blood sugar hormones, your sex hormones, all of that, they need a signaler first.

[00:42:14] So it's a two-step process.

[00:42:16] Joy is a one-step process, right?

[00:42:18] You can immediately hack any state that you're in if you can find a pocket of joy, if you can

[00:42:25] find a moment of joy.

[00:42:26] And I think this concept of intensity is having fun.

[00:42:30] You know, as human beings, we are wired to play.

[00:42:33] We need to play.

[00:42:34] We need to move.

[00:42:35] We need to, and there is no, there is no healthy existence without joy.

[00:42:41] You know, if you're eating a diet and you're absolutely hating the food that

[00:42:44] you're eating, you've got the wrong practitioner helping you.

[00:42:47] You're eating the wrong diet, right?

[00:42:49] And you're not going to stick with it either.

[00:42:51] Yeah.

[00:42:51] And I think so.

[00:42:52] I think the fun piece is so important for people because we are just so serious about

[00:42:58] everything all the time.

[00:43:01] And when you can live in a healthy body and you can be having fun and you can have a bit

[00:43:06] of a sense of humor about things and you can have forgiveness and grace and compassion for

[00:43:10] yourself when you mess up and you eat some chocolate.

[00:43:12] And I don't know, you know, you can go and do some of the things that light your soul on

[00:43:16] fire.

[00:43:17] Whatever that is.

[00:43:18] Maybe you go down to the beach on the weekend.

[00:43:20] Maybe catch up with a friend for coffee.

[00:43:21] Maybe you watch a comedy show before you go to bed.

[00:43:23] I don't know.

[00:43:23] Like there's so many different ways you can do it.

[00:43:26] That to me is living because you can lose the weight.

[00:43:30] You can get healthy.

[00:43:32] You can go and train seven days a week in the gym and you can chase that career and you

[00:43:36] can land that promotion and you can, I don't know, you can do all this stuff.

[00:43:40] But if you don't have that sense of being that is internally happy and playful and joyful

[00:43:48] and free and excited about your life, then you still haven't won.

[00:43:55] That's really well said.

[00:43:57] That's really well said.

[00:43:58] Love that.

[00:43:59] Yeah.

[00:43:59] Everything that I live for though, you know, I say to people, I teach people how to live

[00:44:03] again.

[00:44:04] This is not just about eating better or getting your body disease free or losing the weight

[00:44:10] or getting fit.

[00:44:11] Like all of that is, you know, that's kind of the vehicle to joy.

[00:44:16] You should love your life.

[00:44:17] We're here for one time, you know?

[00:44:20] Yeah.

[00:44:21] But, and it is a lot easier to be happy in a body that you love, in a body that's healthy,

[00:44:28] in a body that's fit, functional.

[00:44:30] And the reason for that is energy.

[00:44:32] Yep.

[00:44:33] When you're running on rocket fuel every day and you bounce out of bed in the morning and

[00:44:37] you feel really good and you know, nothing feels as hard.

[00:44:40] Nothing feels as depressing or as dark or as difficult or as anxious because you're coming

[00:44:46] from that natural state of high vibrational energy and joy that's being driven through

[00:44:53] your health practices.

[00:44:56] Yeah.

[00:44:56] I like it.

[00:44:58] We are, I don't want to keep you too, too long, but I did have a couple questions.

[00:45:02] I told some of the women that I work with and some of the guys that we were talking to

[00:45:08] you and my mom has a couple of questions.

[00:45:11] Oh, let me go.

[00:45:11] What do you want to know?

[00:45:13] All right.

[00:45:13] So, and I know I'm putting you on the spot with these, but one of the women I work with

[00:45:18] was wondering like just the cravings at the end of the day.

[00:45:22] Like, do you have any advice on the best way to stop that?

[00:45:27] Definitely.

[00:45:27] So the very first thing is to understand what are you craving?

[00:45:31] Because if you're craving sugar, it's likely that your blood sugar's tanked and then what

[00:45:36] you're eating at the start of the day.

[00:45:40] So if you're craving sugar at the end of the day, that's usually a blood sugar issue and

[00:45:44] that's usually a lack of protein in the first half of the day.

[00:45:47] So we'll talk about that.

[00:45:47] So if you're craving salt, salty crunch, that's an adrenal juice.

[00:45:52] So we want to look at stress.

[00:45:54] We want to look at how, you know, how much have you had your foot on the gas that day?

[00:45:57] So the first thing is to understand what am I craving and what is my body trying to tell

[00:46:01] me?

[00:46:02] The second thing is always workshopping that first half of the day because so many people

[00:46:07] don't realize or understand that the 3 p.m. crash is not normal.

[00:46:10] The tendency to snack at 5 p.m. is not normal.

[00:46:13] It all comes from what we're doing in the first half of the day and when we're leading

[00:46:18] our day with carbohydrate and an absence of protein and fat that sends us on the blood

[00:46:24] sugar roller coaster, right?

[00:46:26] And once you start putting that kindling on the fire with lots of high carbohydrate foods,

[00:46:30] that's just how you're going to run all day.

[00:46:32] You're going to need to keep fueling that.

[00:46:34] So my first piece of advice would be workshop your morning and make sure that you are getting

[00:46:40] a good dose of proteins and fats and not so many carbs.

[00:46:45] The second thing is, you know, figure out if it's a blood sugar or a stress issue, like

[00:46:50] what's going on there.

[00:46:51] And the third thing in terms of a practical tip to stop the snacking is literally switch

[00:46:56] the routine.

[00:46:57] If you've come home, you've dumped your bag on the bench and you're standing in the

[00:47:00] kitchen near the pantry, you're stuck in the habit, right?

[00:47:04] So you want to cultivate a different ritual or routine at that point, which might be to

[00:47:09] come home, put your bag on your bed, put your walking shoes on and just go for a lap around

[00:47:14] the block, you know, to flush out that cortisol for the day.

[00:47:18] Or it might be to come home, walk into the kitchen and make a cup of tea and go straight out to

[00:47:23] your garden and just stand in the afternoon sun and just have a cup of tea in the afternoon

[00:47:28] sun and let your nervous system come down.

[00:47:30] So it's, I think a lot of the time for people, it's also just getting out of the exact place

[00:47:35] where they're standing and they're doing these habits and creating a new, you know, you remove

[00:47:40] that ritual and you've got to create another one.

[00:47:42] Does that make sense?

[00:47:43] Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[00:47:46] Yeah, those are great.

[00:47:47] Honestly, those are great.

[00:47:50] And then another, well, one was talking about motivation and someone was looking at like,

[00:47:59] how do you stay motivated?

[00:48:01] And you did touch on that.

[00:48:02] Oh, this is my favorite.

[00:48:03] Okay.

[00:48:04] I won't say anything.

[00:48:05] Here we go, everybody.

[00:48:06] Now, I'm going to teach you my myth of motivation.

[00:48:10] I didn't get this from anywhere.

[00:48:11] I've invented this in my head.

[00:48:13] There is no scientific backing to this, but let me tell you, it's going to make sense to

[00:48:16] you right now, right?

[00:48:17] We have completely screwed up the idea of motivation and that's why nobody's motivated

[00:48:23] motivated because the motivation myth, all of us are waiting to be motivated before we

[00:48:29] do something or we're waiting to be motivated in order to keep doing something.

[00:48:34] So we look for memes on the internet.

[00:48:35] We leave it on Monday.

[00:48:37] We procrastinate.

[00:48:38] We try to get all the other tasks out of the way first.

[00:48:40] We do all these things, right?

[00:48:42] Because we're like, well, I'm just not motivated to do it, right?

[00:48:45] I have a completely different take on motivation for you, right?

[00:48:50] Motivation comes from momentum.

[00:48:51] It never comes first.

[00:48:54] Nobody is motivated to get up at 5am in winter and go for a walk in the rain.

[00:48:59] I'm not motivated to do it.

[00:49:00] I do it, but do I want to do it?

[00:49:02] Of course I don't want to do it.

[00:49:03] I'm a human being, right?

[00:49:05] So there's this analogy that I use and I would love to share this on your podcast.

[00:49:09] Imagine that your car is broken down and you've got to push start the car, right?

[00:49:13] And it's really, really, really heavy when you start pushing the car, right?

[00:49:17] And you're pushing, you're pushing and it's heavy and it's difficult, particularly if you're

[00:49:20] a woman and the car's not going anywhere.

[00:49:23] At that point, is your brain motivated to keep pushing that car?

[00:49:28] No, not at all.

[00:49:29] Because what it wants to do is it wants to opt out.

[00:49:31] It wants to call a friend.

[00:49:32] It wants to call the RAC here in Australia to come and rescue you from side of the road.

[00:49:36] You don't believe at that point that you can do it.

[00:49:39] You don't want to do it because you're getting tired and you're pushing, you're not going

[00:49:42] anywhere.

[00:49:42] The minute the car starts to inch forward, you only need, you know, that little rock that

[00:49:48] you get, the little, you know?

[00:49:49] The minute that happens, there is something that lights up in your brain where you immediately

[00:49:55] think, I can do this.

[00:49:56] I can absolutely do this.

[00:49:58] Just keep pushing.

[00:49:58] Just keep pushing.

[00:49:59] And the more you push and the more it rocks and the more momentum, once the car starts

[00:50:04] to roll forward, you are so motivated to push that car.

[00:50:08] You are not going to stop until you have gotten the engine firing again.

[00:50:11] You fully believe you can do it.

[00:50:13] You're backing yourself and you go.

[00:50:15] So motivation comes from momentum.

[00:50:17] It never comes first.

[00:50:19] And I think as a society, the sooner that we can understand that we have to do the first

[00:50:25] few really, really hard things without being motivated to do it, it's discipline.

[00:50:31] It's not motivation.

[00:50:32] Just do the thing.

[00:50:33] You're not motivated.

[00:50:34] You don't want to do it.

[00:50:35] Give yourself compassion for the fact that you don't want to do it.

[00:50:37] I don't want to do it either.

[00:50:38] But once you do it and once you feel the benefit of doing it and once you see that you can do

[00:50:44] it, you will have more motivation to continue than you know what to do.

[00:50:48] Does that make sense?

[00:50:49] But it keeps us, this elusive idea of having to be motivated all the time keeps us not getting

[00:50:57] off the starting blocks.

[00:50:58] So that's the best.

[00:50:59] I like that.

[00:50:59] I like that analogy.

[00:51:01] In terms of, you know, just understand that motivation is not this like grand thing that

[00:51:04] we somehow managed to manifest out of nowhere.

[00:51:07] Like you've got to do the hard work to get motivated to do more.

[00:51:10] But the second thing is, and I think just maybe even from a feminine perspective for

[00:51:14] her, particularly in terms of a question, I think the key to staying motivated is to

[00:51:20] finally love yourself enough.

[00:51:22] It's to love and respect and value yourself enough because motivation does not cancel the

[00:51:29] hard work.

[00:51:30] You might be motivated on your health journey.

[00:51:33] It doesn't mean it's not hard.

[00:51:34] It's always going to be hard.

[00:51:35] But I think if you love yourself enough and if you respect yourself enough to treat your

[00:51:40] body like it's sacred and you've really hit that point where enough is enough, I think

[00:51:46] that you get a lot more motivated to change.

[00:51:50] I like that.

[00:51:51] I love that.

[00:51:52] And it comes back, you said at the beginning or in the middle, and we've talked about this

[00:51:58] a lot, how important your why is.

[00:52:00] And if the why is strong, then that first push on the car is a little easier.

[00:52:06] Absolutely.

[00:52:07] And it helps you to be more disciplined too.

[00:52:10] And I love that you brought up the discipline point.

[00:52:13] You brought up Jocko earlier, but Jocko is a big disciplined guy too, right?

[00:52:17] And that's where I love he takes the picture of his watch at 4 a.m.

[00:52:21] every day.

[00:52:21] And that's the kind of stuff that it's...

[00:52:24] Or even David Goggins talks about, he's a big runner, but he's like, sometimes I look

[00:52:29] at my shoes from across the room and I just don't want to do it.

[00:52:32] He's like, I do it anyways.

[00:52:33] You know what I mean?

[00:52:34] Even Tony Robbins says, I've trained my brain when I say go, we go.

[00:52:38] One of my favorite sayings about discipline was taught to me by a very, very dear friend

[00:52:42] of mine is, discipline is devotion.

[00:52:45] Another word for discipline is devotion.

[00:52:47] I like that.

[00:52:48] Yeah.

[00:52:51] All right.

[00:52:51] I just, my mom, I'm going to, I'm just going to pick a couple of hers because she fired

[00:52:57] off a few of them.

[00:52:58] I'll give you some answers now.

[00:52:59] Let's go.

[00:52:59] Yeah.

[00:53:01] Organic food, is it more nutritious or is it just, is it like a sales gimmicky thing?

[00:53:08] The first, the short answer is yes, it is a lot more nutritious and a lot less toxic for

[00:53:13] your body.

[00:53:14] For those people listening who get overwhelmed with the cost and the thought of organic,

[00:53:18] do the best you can.

[00:53:20] And, you know, just do things like your berries, your leafy greens, and particularly your meats,

[00:53:25] you know, just buy the best quality meat that you can afford.

[00:53:30] Buy the cheaper cuts, your roasts and your briskets and that sort of thing.

[00:53:34] But if you can buy grass fed meat, you know, that's your, you'll go a long way to reducing

[00:53:38] your toxic load.

[00:53:39] But yes, it is better for you.

[00:53:41] All right.

[00:53:42] And then, um, zero percent fat Greek yogurt.

[00:53:47] Is it healthy, healthier than yogurt with fat in it?

[00:53:51] Or is it just...

[00:53:53] Definitely not.

[00:53:54] No, but I think, you know, it comes down to your goals.

[00:53:56] And then people ask me yogurt question all the time.

[00:53:58] Somebody said to me the other day, what yogurt do you eat?

[00:53:59] I said, I don't eat yogurt.

[00:54:00] Why would I eat yogurt?

[00:54:01] I eat meat and fruit and vegetables and no space for yogurt in my diet.

[00:54:05] I'm a woman.

[00:54:06] I only eat twice a day.

[00:54:07] I fast up and there's no space for yogurt.

[00:54:09] Um, if you like yogurt, you want to have it in your diet.

[00:54:13] You know, I think if you're going to be consuming dairy, it's got to be full fat dairy.

[00:54:17] Full fat?

[00:54:18] Well, yeah.

[00:54:19] Otherwise I really don't see the benefit in it at all.

[00:54:22] Um, because fat is probably the best part of dairy.

[00:54:28] I think the rest of it is really just kind of, you know, hormones, maybe arguably a bit of

[00:54:34] protein.

[00:54:36] Yeah.

[00:54:36] So whole milk, whole yogurt, whole everything.

[00:54:39] If you're having it.

[00:54:41] Yeah.

[00:54:42] I mean, I think it comes down to quality for people.

[00:54:44] I'm not anti-dairy at all, but I think if you're going to be consuming dairy, you want

[00:54:48] to make sure that A, you're accountable for it in your daily calories because it's additional.

[00:54:53] It's not basis of your diet.

[00:54:56] It's additional.

[00:54:56] Right.

[00:54:57] Uh, and B, it's just quality, right?

[00:54:59] For you guys in America, your dairy, you know, and particularly fat, if you take fat

[00:55:05] out of it, you've really taken any kind of nutritional component out of it.

[00:55:09] So full fat, but you've got to account for the calories if you're going to have full fat.

[00:55:13] Do you guys laugh at Americans when you see what we eat and what we have here?

[00:55:18] Like, what are they doing?

[00:55:21] You know, we have better than you for sure in Australia, but it's not great.

[00:55:25] Right.

[00:55:26] Our supermarkets are absolutely filled with processed foods, but I think for you guys, there's

[00:55:31] definitely, you know, a perception that Americans eat a lot more, you know, abortion wise, I

[00:55:36] think, but I think that's come from the processed food industry because like you were saying,

[00:55:40] 2000 calories of processed food, you're still going to be starving.

[00:55:44] Yeah.

[00:55:45] You're still going to eat.

[00:55:46] Yeah.

[00:55:47] I definitely think that you guys have a big challenge on your hands though.

[00:55:52] Not in positive.

[00:55:53] I think that's a big thing.

[00:55:55] It's not in positive.

[00:55:56] So, and I like, I like that you kind of reeled that in a little bit earlier when you were

[00:56:00] like, it's not, you know, the doom and gloom aspect of what we're talking about is, you

[00:56:05] know, it is, it is a heavy subject, but at the same time, it's just educating yourself

[00:56:10] and, and, you know, going back to the organic thing that you were talking about too.

[00:56:15] I always tell people go, go to farmer's markets, go to, you know, shop local.

[00:56:20] It doesn't have to be Whole Foods.

[00:56:21] And a lot of the times it's going to be cheaper at the farmer's market than it is at Whole Foods,

[00:56:26] than it is at those bigger, you know, chain kind of places too.

[00:56:30] So that's, and you're going to get a lot more nutrients out of, out of those things than

[00:56:35] you do out of what you get in the grocery store as well.

[00:56:37] So.

[00:56:38] And I think the three big things that every single person can do, regardless of budget,

[00:56:43] regardless of, of time, regardless of anything, right?

[00:56:46] I think there are three things that every single person could do that would make a significant

[00:56:52] difference to their health.

[00:56:54] The first thing would be to drink water, right?

[00:56:57] Everybody has access to water.

[00:56:58] Everybody can start to get hydrated.

[00:57:00] We can all drink water.

[00:57:01] The second thing is protein, right?

[00:57:04] We can all eat protein and we'll, you know, you'll be fuller for longer.

[00:57:09] You'll be stronger, be more energized.

[00:57:10] You'll be all the things, right?

[00:57:11] You can drink water, you can eat protein and you can walk.

[00:57:14] Yeah.

[00:57:15] There was one type of movement that I would pick for everybody to just start doing is we

[00:57:19] can all walk or most of us, but you can, you know, so I think those three things, you

[00:57:24] can drink water, you can eat more protein and you can walk.

[00:57:27] The rest of it may come.

[00:57:28] You may never eat organic, you know, they're great.

[00:57:30] That's fine.

[00:57:31] That's no problem.

[00:57:31] Like I think it's about what are the tangible things that we actually can do every day that

[00:57:36] are not perceived as a mountain.

[00:57:41] Awesome.

[00:57:42] Well, Jess, thank you so much for joining us.

[00:57:44] We've taken up a ton of your time and we appreciate you hanging out with us.

[00:57:49] So how can people get in touch with you?

[00:57:53] Well, obviously I'm on the ground.

[00:57:55] So Instagram is Jess Wilson Nutrition or my website, JessWilson.com.

[00:58:00] I work with people one-on-one for nutrition coaching, for health coaching, for life coaching

[00:58:06] and all of that.

[00:58:06] I've got a number of programs.

[00:58:09] And like I said, you know, my biggest love is just getting people living again.

[00:58:15] It's, you know, it's all of this stuff done in a really, really achievable way.

[00:58:19] And it's just getting back in the driver's seat of our own bodies and our own lives.

[00:58:23] That's what I love to do.

[00:58:25] Perfect.

[00:58:25] Perfect.

[00:58:26] Well, thank you very much.

[00:58:27] All right.

[00:58:27] That is the end of episode 13 with Jess Wilson.

[00:58:31] I realized some of the endings of these episodes just kind of stop without really a transition

[00:58:36] off.

[00:58:37] So thank you all for listening very much from me, from Tim, from Jess.

[00:58:41] We hope everybody has a wonderful day.

[00:58:43] Thank you.