100 - Why Most People Lose Weight… Then Gain It Back

[00:00:04] Welcome everybody to another episode of the The Health Movement. I'm Derek, your host and with us today we have an incredible guest but before I introduce her, I want to reiterate as always that we are not doctors so before you go changing nutrition or anything else please check with your physician.

[00:00:21] All right, now without any further ado we have Amy Kupstis with us who is the founder of Pearls Girls and AP Performance and just an incredibly talented woman overall. So Amy thank you so much for coming on the show. Thanks for having me, I'm so excited. So I guess the best question to start with is how did you get started with everything? Oh, saddle up.

[00:00:51] My, so my dad got me my like first gym membership when I was, I remember I was like 15, 16 at like a local gym in my town. So I've always kind of been in like working, I played a little bit of basketball in high school. Fast forward, was in college, got a job at Gold's Gym, like a Gold's Gym like chain. So I was just the front desk girl. I was like 18, 19, 20 and obviously like was surrounded by it every day.

[00:01:21] I opened the gym at 4am so like a lot of motivated people at 4am as you know. And so surrounded by, you know, guys that worked out, fitness girls, all that stuff. So I learned a lot just working the desk at Gold's Gym. So then I started to get really interested in it. Um, fast forward to that, left the gym, got a real job, had my first son when I was young. I was 21 when I had my first son.

[00:01:47] Um, and just like had a really crappy like postpartum experience. And I was like, I can't live like this. So I like dove headfirst into like bodybuilding, kind of like weaned into that stuff and, uh, got like obsessed with it. Um, at the time I was working for a jail system, the jail. So I was like working for a jail. And then I really, I read books. I got certified in nutrition, all this stuff while I was working at the jail.

[00:02:17] And, uh, and then I competed too while I was working at the jail. So I was kind of doing all, this is like my little hobby on the side. Yeah. And then, um, went into doing stuff like my boss at the jail was like, Hey, my son's an MMA fighter. He has to make weight. Can you do his nutrition? I'm like, yeah, it was kind of just like, sure. Sure. Yeah. So did that, that was kind of like my first ever client. Um, and then obviously like, I wasn't, I had, I was a single mom.

[00:02:47] I had to have, you know, I had a state job. I wasn't going to leave that, um, to do personal training or nutrition. It just wasn't, it wasn't whatever. Um, and then kind of went through like some crappy, like mental stuff and gained a lot of weight. Um, probably in like 2016, like gained a lot of weight. Um, and there was just like nobody that could help me. And I was like, I'm just going to help myself. Yeah.

[00:03:15] And, um, fast forward through that again, obsessed, all this stuff. And then 2017, I met my current husband. Um, we got pregnant and we had our, our son, my second son. And he, we, I was a stay at home mom. So I quit my job, stayed home with my youngest son and I would call him and be like, I just need to do something. I feel like I'm not doing anything. And he's like, coach people.

[00:03:45] He's like, you're good at it. Do it. And I just didn't have the confidence. He kind of gave me the confidence in myself. Right. Awesome. And so I was like, all right, I will, I'll take, I'll, I'll launch it like in 20. So June, 2019, my youngest son was like a year old. Um, and I was like, I'll make a Facebook page. I had to cook out my friends. I'm like, what do I call my coaching business guys? Like, ha ha, like funny. And, um, and, uh, my friend was like, Pearl's girls.

[00:04:14] My middle name is Pearl. So, okay. And she's like, just, you're going to coach women. You're it's like Pearl's girls fitness. I'm like, yeah, cool. Like whatever launched it right before COVID. Um, and literally like all I had was a Facebook page. That's it. And so I launched it. I said, I'm coaching women. I actually had a full gym in my house. So I would personal train in my basement and do nutrition online coaching.

[00:04:42] So I didn't see, I only saw like my in-person training clients, um, in person. Okay. And, um, and then there's so much that happened, but I'm trying to like keep it condensed. Um, you can go as long as you want. You're good. Is that okay? Okay. COVID hit. And while everyone was losing everything, my business was growing. Yes. Um, I think people, and I, I, I was not, so I had to shut down the personal training side

[00:05:10] because of the regulations. Um, so I just online coached, I would book calls all day. So like they would zoom with me or I'd call them, um, coach them through and then word of mouth. Um, I ended up with a lot of like UMass nurses and you know, there's thousands of them. So they all talked and, and then I think there's this big movement of people being like, oh my gosh, like health is so important.

[00:05:38] Um, and then like the side of it for me, like being someone in the community and like being someone that's been over, I've been over, uh, I was an overweight child. Like, you know, I've had two kids. I'm not naturally like I wasn't naturally lean my whole life. So I had to work for it. And I think the more the word grew out, grew and I shared my story, people like could relate to me. I can relate to a lot of people. If that makes sense. I competed in bodybuilding. So I've done the bodybuilding thing. I've had disordered eating.

[00:06:07] I've been J off and on my entire life. I, again, I was an overweight child. Like, you know what I mean? Like, so there's, and it's really hard to find any aspect there. So that's, that's helpful to relate to. And then, um, so yeah, 2019 to 2020 fricking, this was supposed to be my stay at home job, like stay at home mom, like cute seed, like couple hours a week. Yeah. 2020, it grew 2020.

[00:06:34] So my office I'm in me and my husband own this building and there's a lawyer in this office. And because of COVID he was like, you know, I'm trying to work from home, like not see whatever. My husband's like, do you want to, I was like, I want to do in person. Like, I don't like, I truly don't like online coaching. I really don't. Um, not because it's nice to be able to like coach people from wherever you are, but like there is something to be said when you're working on your health to have that in person. Absolutely. So my husband's like, take the office upstairs. I'm like, okay.

[00:07:04] And then I used to do body scans on myself, like in body Dexa, all those things. I was going out to Boston. So I'm like, I'm going to invest in one of those to help people like correlate data. Absolutely. Well, fast forward. Uh, it's been, um, seven years in business and this is supposed to be my part-time stay at home mom job. And let's just say I am not part-time time and a half. So, um, yeah, I don't know how that answers your question. That does. That definitely does. And there is another business too, which we'll get into.

[00:07:34] Cause of course all your free time, you're like, I had to fill it with something else. But, um, that's what, um, gosh, I have a lot of questions to go through here. I will say just for the audience, I met Amy and her husband, Joe at the gym. They're the crazy ones like me that get there for four 35 o'clock in the morning all the time. And it's whatever she is saying, the things that she is talking about, I can vouch for the fact that she is 100% dedicated and does everything herself.

[00:08:04] So not only have you gone through everything that you mentioned, but you also live that lifestyle as well. Um, what is one of the biggest challenges you see with the people that you work with? And I know everybody's different and you can't kind of want everybody into one group, but what's if you were to maybe one or two, what are the biggest challenges people generally face? Oh, I can literally skip this off right now is, uh, comparing.

[00:08:33] We live in a time of like the social media stuff. And I, I talk about this a lot in different flavors, like different contexts or whatever, but like general, as soon as you asked me that, that's the first thing that came is people take their phone and they're like, Oh, that girl, look at her, look at her, but look at her arms. Yeah. Amy, how do I do that? I'm like, first of off, listen, I do it too. I make myself a little tanner to make my muscles more defined.

[00:09:03] And I know what she's doing. Like, you know what I mean? Like the lighting, you can turn the angle, you suck in, like, you don't look like that walking down the street. I'm so listen, Pearls, girls, fitness, go create my Instagram. If you see a video of me, I edit it. So it's darker. So my muscles look better. Like, like, you know what I mean? I'll be a hundred percent. I will fricking stand on a hill and scream at that. Like, comparing because what these people don't understand. Right. And I've been in the bodybuilding world. I've met, I've met some of the influencer influencers.

[00:09:31] I was at the Olympia in 2017. I met some, you know, some people. And there's a lot of things that on social media, as we know in general consensus, like, that don't share. People don't share the truth. Right.

[00:09:45] So when I see, like, my clients that have four kids are working and they see these women that share on social media that, you know, they're in shape and just do it if you're tired, all this stuff. And then my clients come in there like, Amy, my baby was up all night, but this, like, do I just work out anyways? I'm like, no, get some sleep. Yes. You know what I mean? So, like, I think general thing is social media.

[00:10:13] And I tell clients all the time, the biggest struggle is, like, having discernment. And so when I'm coaching people, obviously I'm doing nutrition and workouts and all that stuff. But I'm like, let's talk about this piece because this is going to control everything. Everything. Yeah. And I said, when you're scrolling, you have to be able to depict what's real and what's not. And it's really hard to. It took me a long time to master it. Like, I can look at someone, a fitness influencer's page and, like, already know.

[00:10:40] And I always tell people, like, I have this background of, like, I have some inside scoop to, like, what's going on with the fitness industry. And, again, that's some of the reasons why I started my own business because it's very, very toxic. And the business model is high volume, less work. Right? And that's for everybody. But with health and fitness, it never works out in a positive way.

[00:11:03] And I think social media is one of those things where people delay progress because they let this control, like, why am I not there yet? And it's like, because that influencer is doing anabolic steroids. Yeah. That's why you're never going to be there. Like, you know what I mean? Well, they've been doing it for 15 years and you're seeing the culmination of that lifestyle for that long.

[00:11:27] And they just had a show, which means they're depleted and they've eaten almost nothing for a week and a half or two weeks. And that's why they look like that. Oh, here we get the photos coming. This is me. I said what people don't understand. I was crying every night. Like, you see this picture, right? And maybe I'm not in a competition suit or tanned. But if I posted my body like this and said, sign up for Amy's 12 week program and you could look like this, I could probably triple my business right now. Yeah.

[00:11:56] Like, with less work because you just get a strict meal. You know? That's it. It's tough though. And there was a woman I had, actually the first guest I ever had on, name is Sam Coop. She did, she worked with women postpartum and it was, she became a bodybuilder. And now she like, she's taken off. She's a model and everything.

[00:12:18] She does her modeling shoots post like the week after her, her shows because she's as ripped as she's going to be. And I see him and she, she reuses a lot of the stuff that's there, which I get like, that's, that's the stuff that sells, that, that works. Um, I've also heard the stories from her on, you know, the, the dedication, everything she, you have to put in. It's, that's the full time job is to look a certain way a lot of them. Exactly.

[00:12:49] And that's, and that's hard for a lot of my lifestyle, even males. I coach a lot of males. Oh, absolutely. Like I have Pearls girls and Pearls bros for lifestyle clients. And they even struggle with that. They're like, I see this guy in the gym. I'm like, you have no, first off, you have no idea what his past looks like, you know? And, and you have no idea his, you know, his dedication to like, I have some clients that don't have kids yet. Right.

[00:13:14] And so if they need to, you know, go to the grocery store every day and cook every night, like, you know, they, it's not that they don't work as hard, but their, their time is, is divided differently. So, you know, but anyway, anyways, but like, yeah, comparing is, it's such a, and it took me a long time. It took me a long, long time. Like I've probably mastered not comparing myself. It took me probably the, like the last five years I've been really good about it.

[00:13:41] There was, there was a friend of mine at a different gym I had gone to that, well, we met at the gym, big dude in incredible shape. And we had just been, you know, we got to talking a lot and he's like, Derek, a lot of people come up to me and they want to look the way I do. And I tell him like, I'm on testosterone. Like you can't look like me unless you start taking testosterone. And if you want to do that, great, but you can't compare yourself to me.

[00:14:06] And it was very upfront and open and it was, it was awesome to hear. But you're right, comparison is, is brutal. Right. And there's, there's different body types. Like, you know, I'm five, 10, you know, when I, I, I use this example all the time. Like if I'm on TikTok, right, I'm, I'm still a young woman that likes to do this. Right. I'm not going to sit here and lie. I don't, my new thing I do is like, if I want to look at something or even like an outfit, right. You're tall too.

[00:14:34] It's like looking at, like, say you want to look at a t-shirt, right. I want to find a woman that's five, 10 and somewhat my composition and then look, oh, so like, it's the same wing. Like I've had women show me like, Hey Amy, like new clients that are like, this is my goal. I'm like, she's four foot 11. Her muscle bellies are different shaped than you. You know what I mean? Like I'm never going to be, you know, without extensive amounts of X, Y, and Z for lack of a better way to put it.

[00:15:04] Um, like my muscle bellies are so long that I'm, I'm probably not going to be, you know, my muscle isn't going to be shaped the same as a girl. That's like five, one, five feet. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And then you talk about natural, natural build. If you look at Clayton is a guy, he's going to come on the show later on. And, um, for those listening that know me, he's, um, at the daily dose and we talk a lot about that too, but love him.

[00:15:33] He's massive. Like he's cut weight and he's at two 65 or two 60. I don't know what he is. I would have to consume 10,000 calories a day to even hope to that. Right. And it's just not my natural inkling. He was up at, you know, 380 and was able to drop a ton of weight and that works for him. So you have to be realistic with, with your body type and what your expectations are. Oh, a hundred percent. And, and, and need that for nothing.

[00:16:01] Like I obviously like I've actually done a scan on Clay and it's like, and, and he heard about his history. He also was playing football for years and years. So there's, you know, and, and one thing with being that heavy and that's kind of like my, I've been 280 pounds before 276. Yep. And so for me, but when you're that heavy and have that much weight on you, you were overeating. So for lack of better way to put it, you put yourself in a bulk for a long time. For a long time.

[00:16:29] So like when you overeat in such a surplus, yeah, you're putting on this stuff, which is, this is a pound of fat, but you're also putting on this stuff. So for, for Clay, and I can speak upon this cause I was in the same boat as Clay. Yeah. I was overeating because I, you know, I was not in a good place or whatever it may be, obviously. And, uh, but when you eat in such a caloric surplus to put on fat, a lot of people, people do put on muscle. Oh, absolutely.

[00:16:56] And if you can, if you can preserve a good amount of that muscle, when you, you naturally bulked yourself on strategically, you can cut the fat and keep that muscle on if you're very strategic. So like I have, you know, women or even men that come to me that are very heavy and we have these conversations. They have a ton of muscle on them. So like, but the body fat needs to come off, but I'm like, I want to keep this muscle because I said to one of my guys last week, I said, he's a, he's a heavier guy.

[00:17:26] And I said, you have a lot of muscle on you. He's like in the hundred and 30th percentile for his height, weight age. And I said, let's use this. This is a good thing. Like, let's take a positive out of, you know, feeling like crap. I said, because if we can keep muscle on, you can eat more at a leaner physique. You're going to look better. You're going to feel more tight toned, energetic, all this stuff. So like, again, going to the comparison thing, when women are like, oh, Amy, I like your arms.

[00:17:52] I'm like, yeah, this is one from bodybuilding and training, like a training with men when I was getting coached in bodybuilding. And two, I've been training since I was 15. It's not really very strategic, but for probably very strategic for since I was 20. So 15 years, I've not got out of the gym in 15 years. I don't fall off. I haven't really fallen off. You know what I mean?

[00:18:17] I've fallen off food and lifestyle, certain things, but I've never been on trained. Right. Yeah. Which it is a tough thing for people, especially as you get older too, when your mindset's been one way for 30, 40, 50 years, getting that shift is going to be incredibly difficult. So how do you help people with that? So for my like Pearls, Girls and Bros clients, those are like my lifestyle people.

[00:18:47] That's like anyone. I do have like my like I have some lifestyle clients that are athletes and like coaches themselves. So like I coach coaches, you know, I have doctors, I have nurses, I have medical professionals. I have, I have physician, you know what I mean? I have women that have kids that don't have kids. I have people that have underlying disorders. So, and some plethora of people. So like mine, what I initially do, depending on where they live.

[00:19:16] So like I have a couple of clients out of state that it's hard, but I'll go have them find a scan. But I do, I do promote body scans. So there's a lot of taboo. I hope this is answering your question. Am I doing the squirrel thing? No, no. You're doing, I see where you're, the plane's going. You're going in the right direction. Okay. I'll land it. I promise. Yeah, I know. But they come in and I'm, I'm very a big advocate of body scans, accurate body scans, because

[00:19:45] I know for me, for a lot of people, people are obsessed with the scale. So when I help people and they come in here, the first thing I do, if they're local is, or if they're not local, I try to find them an in-body scan. There's all a bunch of different scanners for me. I just find reputable gyms or reputable companies that have them, like, like mine's over here and I, I maintain it. I calibrate it. I clean it. So that's the problem with people getting like scans, body scans or whatever.

[00:20:14] They're great data if it's accurate. And so there's a lot, there's a protocol to follow. So on and so forth. But anyways, so they'd come in and do a scan and like part of my, me helping them is understanding what's going on inside of their bodies. A lot of people, male and female come in here and they're, they're explaining their struggles with their weight and all this stuff. And it's like, cause you've always relied on a system that doesn't work for you. You know, if you have to be on a strict meal plan and you're someone who's never going to be on a meal plan the rest of your life, then let's not do a meal plan.

[00:20:44] You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Um, I help them by essentially going over their data. So I want them to understand their internal numbers. So like their muscle, their fat, what's the scale actually mean? Like you can lose weight or fat and be up in weight, you know? And that's a conversation we get into. But, um, really depicting, like understanding what's going on. And like, I always say to someone that's sitting in this chair right here, like put horse blinders on and be obsessed with your own data.

[00:21:13] Don't worry about everybody else because you know, my helping them, um, my, obviously it's a very custom thing. Like when someone walks in here, I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do with you. I have no idea. I got to see stuff. I got to get to know you. I got to get to know your trends. Um, people that have a lot of medical, there's a lot of medical underlying stuff going on. I'm seeing a huge wave of like, especially women with like hypothyroidism, Hashimoto's. I'm seeing a lot of women with autoimmune.

[00:21:42] Um, I'm seeing a lot of guys with low testosterone. Like, so there's, it's not just like, here's your calorie plan. You're going to, we're going to do a fat loss phase. See you later. It's, we have to think of all the bio stuff. And I think people don't think of that. I think they do, but they don't want to deal with all the other things that contribute to your health and, and losing body fat and keeping it off. It's a lot of like, how do I lose 20 pounds? And he's losing 20 pounds. It's overwhelming for a lot of people too.

[00:22:11] And, and I love that you're mentioning the, the in-body scans and getting all the data. Cause 120 pounds on a woman can look very different between two different women. Oh, this whole file cabinet. I have, I, I see so many, even guys, but you, you know what? My guys, like they're just as bad as the girls. Sorry. Yeah. Oh, we are a hundred percent. A hundred percent. You guys are just as bad.

[00:22:40] I'm like, I have to like sit you down and be like, all right, it's okay. Well, I look at the guys at the gym and I see some of the traps or the arms. I'm like, oh man. And I'm like pulling my sleeves down a little bit. Like I can't. No, you're, you're in really good shape. Like, and there's the thing too, where when I'm helping people, it's like, there's a certain capacity to where you're just, the sky's the limit. Right. But like, you're going to cap out.

[00:23:07] Like for me, like I don't, I'm very big into aesthetics, right? I don't care what your PRs are. I'll be a hundred percent honest with you. Like if you want it for here, if you're like, oh my God, I can like press 500 pounds. Like this is really cool. Sure. But like, if you look like crap and you're, you don't want to get dressed in the morning or you don't feel good in your t-shirt, who gives what you PR? Yeah. You know what I mean? Exactly. So I don't know where I was going with that, but. No, no, no, no. You're good.

[00:23:37] So you have Pearls Girls, Pearls Guys, which is, helps people, regular folk and some, some athletes, but you also have. Lifestyle. Lifestyle. Lifestyle. You also have AP Performance. Can you, can you dive into that a little bit? Yeah. So about two years ago, I was approached by my friend, her son goes to prep school, plays football and just wanted to dial in his nutrition.

[00:24:05] She's like, would you see him and like do all the things? I'm like, yeah, cause I could do a scan. I scan my seven year old son, not because I'm like cuckoo bird, but I'm, you know what it is? Again, this is a little squirrel thing. And I love it. I love it. Cause I really want to get this out there. Like there is not an age to where you can explain to your kids their information. Like, but you put different gloves on. Like with my seven year old, I scan him and I'm like, buddy, you keep putting on muscle because you're eating all the steak mommy cooks and the vegetables, like making it fun

[00:24:34] and, and correlating that at seven. I'm not making it like, oh, you can't have a Twizzler or you can't have Oreos, but it's like, buddy, holy cow. It's a positive reinforcement. So that's instilled for both my boys at a very young age. They understand like, it's a good thing to be, you know, weigh a certain amount to put on muscle, all this stuff. So anyways, like I can scan, I don't think it picks up on like a three. I tried to scan. No, I scanned my client's three year old, like for fun.

[00:25:04] Like he thought it was cool because mommy was doing it. Yeah. But anyway, so I could scan any age, but so I scanned him. I was doing his nutrition and you know, he spread like, then she recommended me to another his, one of his friends. And then again, word of mouth the last two years, I have like 30, like it's a lot of, um, it's, I would say it's 85% prep school football kids, like high school football kids that are like looking to go to D1 colleges. So like, and I'll get offers.

[00:25:33] So like there's a lot of the line. Um, but long story short, she recommended me word got out. And then I was talking the first client after my friend's son, he, she's like, she texted me after she's like, how you explained it? Because there's like a lack with young athletes. It's like have the pasta meatballs before your game for football. And it's like, you don't know why there's, and it's, how do I say it?

[00:26:02] There's a void in high school athletes, right? It's like they go to nutrition, they go to conditioning coaches. And these guys are phenomenal. I talk to them on Instagram. Like if we share a client, like I have one kid, he's a quarterback. He's Zach McKenzie. Shout out. He's absolutely amazing. And like, we've talked, like we work together and like, I'll share like his conditioning coaches stuff. But like, if I'm doing his food and nutrition, it just makes the conditioning coach look good if he has more muscle on him. And many of them, right?

[00:26:32] Because he's eating his protein. But how I explain to these young athletes, I'm like, all right, if you're on the road and you got to go to Chick-fil-A, this is what you order, right? It's not, all right, mommy needs to make you chicken, broccoli and rice for lunch every day because that's, these kids live at school. They don't know what the cast is going to give them sometimes. So I customize their nutrition to their season. So like in the off season, we do X, Y, and Z. During football season, we do different things.

[00:26:59] But I also do the scans and explain to them what's happening inside their body. Because like, for example, with football, right? The general football thing with recruiting and all that stuff, they look at weight. You know, when you see a kid's stats, 6'4", 380. And it's like, you don't have to be 380 and sloppy. You know what I mean? No. And I think with a lot of these young athletes, it's trying to make them understand.

[00:27:26] You can get like one kid I have, they actually want him to lose a little bit. He's a lineman, but he's like, he's a little too heavy. But I'm like, you can be 360 and be solid. You don't have to like cut down to nothing, you know what I mean? To lose muscle or whatever. Or I have another kid who is like too lean. And I'm like, we could put on 20 pounds of lean tissue. You don't have to just eat to put on 20 pounds of, because you could put on no muscle and put on 20 pounds. Oh, absolutely. You know what I mean?

[00:27:55] That's the fun way to do it for sure. For sure. It is. But with AP Performance, that's more of like my high school kids. A lot of high school kids. A lot of prep school kids. I have a couple of soccer girls. I have some softball girls. Again, with everything going on with recruiting right now and how much college costs, you know, you have kids like saddle up. Like the incentive to have your kid healthy from the inside out.

[00:28:24] Like because I tell these kids it's not just about composition and getting their body fat and muscle mass up. It's keeping their visceral fat down, immune system, recovery, because it's like, yeah, you can be this stud player. But if you're getting injured and sick all the time because your gut health is off, then what's the freaking point? Yeah. And then things like injuries do come regardless of how healthy you are. Your recovery period when you've been taking care of yourself is so much faster.

[00:28:49] And that's why someone like Tom Brady could play as long as he did is because the nutrition was obsessively dialed in. And he never got hurt outside of a torn ACL, which. Nope. Which is unheard of. Yeah. So it makes a big difference. And at that level, too, I think it's 7% of high school athletes go on to play some level of college. And it might be 1% play D1. I think it's 0.7%. Okay. You know the stats.

[00:29:19] But if you're not doing those little things to separate yourself, because, I mean, if you're already at this, you know, top 93% of athletes in this, you've got to do something to bridge that gap and the dialed in nutrition and understanding how the food and what you're putting in your body affects you is a huge piece of that. Absolutely. And for me with my high school kids, it's making it feasible. When I use this all the time, I'm like, mommy and daddy aren't always watching you.

[00:29:48] Like, I literally tell them that. So I was like, you have to be able to pivot. And so I kind of, I don't do meal plans with them. I have one kid that really likes a meal plan, so I'll like, I'll help him out. But I'm like, I want you to be able to run to dunks on the road because a lot of these kids travel and know what to order. That's conducive to feeling good and healthy and hitting your goals. Or like, you know, maybe you, like I had one kid, he was on the road in South Carolina. I was like, grab a coconut water, a chocolate milk, because he had to go protein powder.

[00:30:17] I'm like, put it in the chocolate milk. Like, because they are not going to carry a cooler around. They're 17 years old on the road. But so how do they stay on their plan? Because a lot of them are motivated. There's a lot of money involved, especially with NIL and stuff. Like, these kids, I'm learning so much because the rules are changing the last two years with college. NIL is brutal. You don't even get me started on my thoughts about all of that. Yeah, I was going to say, we could be on here for four hours. Oh my gosh, yeah.

[00:30:47] Can I do an impromptu quiz for you that you have no idea what's coming? All right, so let's say I'm pulling into Dunkin' Donuts and I'm trying to get something clean and healthy. What would your recommendation be there? Ooh, all right. Usually it's two of, so I did research on Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah. So, you want to stay away from their sausage patties. Really? I would do, yeah, I would keep it to like your bacon cheese on an English muffin.

[00:31:17] Okay, that's good to know. Yeah. And then I would do like a sugar-free refresher and call it a day. All right, that's good to know. Can I throw a few more at you? Yeah. All right. What about Chick-fil-A? No, Chipotle. Chipotle. Okay, so Chipotle? Chipotle's pretty easy because it is, you know, relatively, it's a protein, fat, and carb. Um, just double meat on everything and half the rice.

[00:31:47] What they cook on the rice is literally like triple what you actually should be eating regardless of who you are. Oh. And, like, for most people, like, it's so, see, this is the problem. You're asking me these quizzes and I'm like, who's it for? Yeah, that's true. That's true. You know? A normal person, like me. I'm not an athlete. A normal person, just get double protein. If you, whatever, whatever you're getting, you need double protein. Okay. You have to pay for the double protein.

[00:32:16] That's, like, get a burrito, get the bowl. The one scoop of protein for 99% of people is not enough. Okay. It's not enough. That's good. No. How about, like, a McDonald's, something like that? My order is two McChickens, omit the bun on one, and a Diet Coke. Okay. That's good. Two McChickens, omit the bun. All right. I mean, that's true. One only with the bun, one without. So, do you stick the chicken in the other bun? And just do a double? There you go. Yeah.

[00:32:45] So, people can actually, like, if you're in a bind, if you're in a pinch, you don't have to feel guilty about stopping. You just have to know the right thing to eat. I, on my kids, I walk the walk and talk the talk. Like, I go to Chick-fil-A once a week. I drink. I have alcohol every weekend. I don't think there's been a weekend this summer. I've not had at least two martinis. Um, I eat out on average probably two or three days a week.

[00:33:14] I just make choices conducive to my body, but through learning what my body doesn't, how to order and what my body doesn't, doesn't respond to, I've mastered it. You know? And that's why I'm very big on, like, again, tracking data. Yeah. And not being on a super strict meal plan, because if you're not going to do it the rest of your life, don't do it to feel your best self. That makes no sense to me. If you're not going to eat pizza, or if pizza's not in your meal plan, but you're not going to cut it out until the day you die, then don't cut it out, because that doesn't make sense.

[00:33:44] Yeah. You're never going to maintain the shape you're in, you know, if that's your goal. And who wants to cut out pizza for the rest of their life? Like, I don't think I could do it. Definitely not me. So are there resources or something that you could recommend for people who can't come in and talk to you? Obviously, number one option would be to give Amy a call and sign up. But are there resources that people can use, or things that you've seen or heard, or people

[00:34:11] that you follow that you're like, oh, this one, aside from me being brilliant, these people are also pretty knowledgeable. Yeah. Uh, I am very much aligned with Dr. Lane Norton. L-A-Y-N-E. Dr. Lane Norton. I'm, I'm a huge, huge fan of him. Um, I've had local coaches reach out to me and be like, who do you recommend to get like some learning from? Dr. Lane Norton. Yep. Okay. I've been trying to see him and meet him forever.

[00:34:41] Um, he's really hard to get. He doesn't really do conferences anymore, but. Oh, all right. The last one he did was in Australia. Oh, that's not that close to us. Unfortunately. But he lives, I think he lives in Florida. Oh, well that's doable. I'll just find his address and knock on his door. I say we take a road trip, find his address and just knock on his door. People love that. People love the intro. Oh, right? Not creepy. That would be great. Yeah. Uh, Lane Norton.

[00:35:06] And I really, really like, um, um, I actually just went to a conference in April, which I highly recommend if, uh, you can go. Yeah. As a health coach. Uh, it's called the Real Coaches Summit. Um, follow that page. Because all the coaches I met there are phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Um, that's a conference that it's really hard in this industry to find quality education because a lot of it is biased and skewed. Like, I'm not medical.

[00:35:35] Like you said in the beginning, we're not doctors. Yeah. Um, but I'm also not a hippie. Like, um, so like I will, if I have a headache or I'll take an Agniprofen. Like if I go to work, like I don't have time to drink 20 pounds of electrolytes to get my headache on. Like I'll take. So for me, it's really hard to find people to follow. Right. That are science evidence based because I do believe in science. I'm not anti-science by any means, but I'm also no, like have a drink. Have an ibuprofen.

[00:36:05] Like, I'm, I'm like, you know what I mean? So this conference was really like validating for me that there is education out there that isn't biased by big pharma, you know, medical profession. Like it's really hard to even like on Instagram and TikTok or even like influencers like that aren't funded by something here. That's an incentive to push you to buy something. So like this conference, like there was no vendors.

[00:36:30] Like it wasn't like show up and like buy this, you know, please only tell your clients to take this supplement line. There was nothing. It was pure hang out, eat healthy, get educated by doctors that are kind of like rogue. Like, yeah. One of the guys I've, I've had on the show, um, Nestor Rodriguez is a doctor out in Wisconsin and he set up the HR or the HR, the ER department there, the wing of it.

[00:37:00] But he also has a performance, uh, place called carbon world health. And he was saying the way he has to treat people in the ER is vastly different than what he can do in his own facility because of the guidelines and everything that you have to say. It's awful. And he's like, like, obviously you can't mix the two together necessarily, but he's like, I love it when people come in and I can just cut it, you know, shoot it to him straight and tell him what the deal is.

[00:37:26] That's, that's what I tell, like I had a client, um, a new client called this week and we were talking and she's like, I've gone to three nutritionists at the hospital. She's like, I walked in and one was overweight. Like, you know, not to talk badly about people, but like, if you're going to be, this is my thing. If you're going to be in the fitness, wellness, health industry, you, unfortunately you chose a profession where you don't have the luxury of not looking a certain way. Sorry.

[00:37:56] You know what I mean? So how do you, how does someone take you seriously? And she's like, they gave me in the food pyramid and said, eat, eat healthy greens. Yeah. Like, yeah, it doesn't help anyone. You know? What am I going to promote this great shampoo that that's going to help people's hair get luscious and fuller? Like I'm not doing that. It's, it's like, it's the same thing I tell people, like not to go off topic, like being transparent in this industry. Like I've had a tummy tuck.

[00:38:26] My stomach doesn't look like this because of protein. Like it helps maintain the, the, the look of my body. But like I had help, like I had skin cut off. So like, I tell my moms that like, see me in a bikini or see, I'm like, I had work done. And like, that's a lot of people don't, aren't transparent about that. Like they're not transparent about what they're taking. They're not transparent about their drink. Like how, and that's the hard, going back to like education and influence. And like, you asked me, like, who do you look up to or who would you reference for

[00:38:55] like good education? It's so hard because in this industry right now, especially in an aesthetic industry, everyone's like worried about their, like not their reputation, but like their luck. Right. And it's like, how do I coach women that are struggling postpartum and not say to them, like when they look at me and they're like, you've had two kids. It's like, yeah, I worked really hard to get to where my body is. And I obviously live a lifestyle to maintain it because a tummy tuck doesn't make you not get fat again. You know? Exactly.

[00:39:24] Um, but I, I have a flat stomach and no skin because I had it. I went to the chop shop. Like, you know, this isn't so like a big part of my coaching just to kind of relay this too is like this piece of like, this is not real. Like I have women that have lost a lot of weight that look amazing and they're so sensitive about their stomachs. I'm like all the out there, the creams, the waist trainers, that's, it's not going to work. You have to, invasive stuff is the only way to get rid of it. You know what I mean?

[00:39:53] Sometimes when you get to that point where it's been, it's been that long that you've been overweight. Like it, the skin stretches, it's the way your body's adapted. And then, and especially if the weight comes off really fast, I mean, there's a point where it's not, there's no way around it, but rapid weight loss definitely has an effect too. Um, so it's people. And like you said, I want to lose 20 pounds right away.

[00:40:19] If you lose a pound a week, which people, which is good, that would be excellent. You average a pound a week, but it's the best way. People want to lose 20, 30 pounds. Yeah. Less half a pound would be perfect, but that's not fast enough for most people. Um, then you can't, if you look two years down the line and you're losing a half a pound a week, a hundred pounds you've lost, you know? Well, and, and you're going to sustain it. Yeah.

[00:40:47] The biggest thing I don't, I don't get, I always tell everybody, I don't get impressed by weight loss. I get impressed by maintenance. Like everyone can lose weight. I could go on a two week cut right now and be fricking 10% body fat. Right. If I, like, if I cut out all the things, like all the variables, right. Yeah. I'm never going to maintain that. So like I tell women all the time in that, like, I don't get impressed by people that are doing these rapid things. Cause it's like, okay, show me what they look like in a year or two. And 99% of people don't maintain it.

[00:41:16] Like when they do the 12 week challenges or the prep contests, all that stuff. It's like, that's, it's Peter Pan. It's not real. I don't get impressed by that. I get impressed by the girl that can like go out to like, that can like live their life and maintain it. Because that's why I tell all my new clients. I'm like, cause they, I have clients that have come to me and be like, I were, I did this and I lost 40 pounds last year. And then, you know, I have notes right here. They gained it all back. And I'm like, what'd you do?

[00:41:44] You know, they're doing, they're doing strict meal plans. They're, you know, on a, essentially the competition diet, which is like cold fish and asparagus. It's like, yeah, no, you lost a ton of weight. You're in a deep deficit. Or GLP ones or whatever else, you know. Oh, yeah. That's, I could go on for two hours on that. So if you want to start that conversation, go get your lunch.

[00:42:10] No, I, I, um, yeah, I don't want to offend anybody with that one, but it's, I will say there's a population where that could be helpful to get started. But if you don't change your whole lifestyle, it's, you're going to be right back where you started. So, all right, well, you started it. So I'll, I'll try to do it. I can see a timer. I'm going to try to do this in 20 seconds. I'm going to give myself two minutes and 20 seconds. I'm not anti GLP ones. I, I always tell people this. I'm not anti GLP ones.

[00:42:40] I'm not anti people. I have people that are on all different types of medication. It's like when someone walks in the store, my background's in drug addiction and, and, and, um, cause I worked for the jail system. So I was, I was doing clinical stuff and then I was doing like, uh, I've worked with, you know, addicts. I was a recovery support navigator. So like, I'm very big. So that's why I can directly relate to, cause it's a lot of it's this, right? So like in foods addiction. So that's why for me, like it directly relates my, my profession in the past directly relates

[00:43:10] to this, but long straight short, when people walk in my door and they're on, you know, Suboxone because they're in recovery, right? I don't deny them. You know, I don't deny people that are on insulin because they're diabetic. I don't deny women that are on SSRIs because they're going through a mental health crisis, whatever. Like, so if you walk in my door and you're on GLP one, my job as a coach is to educate you on the facts, right?

[00:43:34] And so the problem is it's become the new drug addiction in my opinion, because women and men are doing it without a plan, right? Everything is, is a useful tool until it's like, cause 99% of people don't want to be on it forever. They don't know when I hear clients that talk about, they're like, I had one client hired me. She's like, I'm scared to get off. I'm terrified. Cause I don't, I don't, I don't know what to do. And so because they know deep down, they're not building the foundation.

[00:44:03] They're just, I had a pharmacist tell me this the other day. It's she called it medically assisted starvation. That's not my words. That was her words. And because for people that are non-diabetic, it's just numbing your hunger. You know what I mean? So, but long story short, but I'm seeing people that are doing just scans on them. They're losing all muscle. Like it's, they're just, it's, and the ramifications of that long term, I'm, I'm not into it. I'm very sensitive about eating disorders.

[00:44:33] And what I'm seeing on the backend is it's creating more eating disorders. And then what's going to happen down the road is when people are malnourished, there's a, there's a ramifications of that, of needing a plethora of other things that pharmaceuticals going to provide you, whether it's, you know, you need, you end up becoming diabetic because I don't know, like I'm not a doctor. I don't know what this does to your insulin, like your natural body secretion of that stuff. So like it's, I'm not against it.

[00:45:03] If it's a tool to get you to like, you know, for, for some clients that have severe binge eating, like to the point where it's diagnosable, it's, it's, it's life altering because it's altering their brain. But it's like, you don't need to be on the max dose to do that. You know what I mean? Like, um, I'm struggling with it a lot because of the mental piece of like, people are relying on it and it's like, that's not the cure.

[00:45:30] The cure is the lifestyle change and you need to learn all the aspects of that. You need your sleep. You need your water. You need your, the proper food. You got to exercise. You got to move. You got to eat protein. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. If you're nauseous, you know, when you've had the stomach bug, the last thing you want to do is eat grilled chicken, you know, but the big thing I'm seeing, right? Personally, this is not from social media. This is my personal experience with people that are in this office for an hour and a half

[00:46:00] venting to me, almost like a therapy session. I'm very sensitive about it because for my parents that are doing it, right? So here's my thing. The women that I've talked to that have come off of it or been on it or whatever that have young children, what is this doing for the next generation of kids learning to eat? Like you have daughters, you said, right? You have daughters? A daughter, yes. A daughter?

[00:46:29] Like, if I had, like, you know, if my kids saw me, I mean, a lot of people aren't injecting themselves in front of their kids, but what is this teaching kids, the next generation of kids, right? Like mommy just doesn't eat or daddy doesn't eat. Daddy can't eat that. Like your kids are always watching even if you don't think they are. So if like, for example, if I was only eating one meal a day and like withering away, like

[00:46:57] I think my boys would notice. I really do. Oh, absolutely. I really do. Especially, and so like, what does that teach our kids, this next generation of like, even like young girls, like the moms that are doing it that have daughters, I'm like, they're watching you and if they're seeing mommy not eat and get skinny and then they notice like maybe they're have a little bit, they're a little bigger than mommy and then they're just going to copy you. You know what I mean?

[00:47:25] Like that's the I think about, like I, it's not just, and I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. It's just like the deeper conversations that no one's talking about. Again, if you're using it as a tool because you are on the cusp of diabetic or you are really, really struggling with obesity, like, and you need it to take that edge off of your whatever you're doing, but you have a plan, you have a coach, even if I'm not even trying to market myself, I'm too busy.

[00:47:50] But like hire someone that's like monitoring you or, or track your food, make sure you're getting your body weight and protein. Like, I don't know, there's, there's, there's something, there's like this, this like spiritual level of it that I, it makes me not feel good for this next generation of, yeah. So that's my rant. No, you're good. You're good. I opened up the can of worms. I wanted to see what happened there. But like you said, though, you also have the opportunity to teach the opposite.

[00:48:20] Like, Hey, you're eating the steak that I made you. And this is the, you know, this is what happens because of that. And I, I guess I didn't realize how much I talked at school about health and all that stuff, but the kids would come in and they're like, Mr. I had, I had all, I'll just use steak, but it's like, I ate all my steak last night and I think in those like flexing and be like, I got, my muscles are getting bigger. I know it. And it's like, awesome. Like, but I don't, I don't want them to obsess about it. I'm like, you can still have a cookie, you know, like that's okay.

[00:48:49] Just don't have 12 every day, the sort of thing. So it's live, live your life and enjoy it, but also understand that, that there are benefits to eating certain things. Yeah. And I tell kids all the time too, like your body doesn't know the difference between an Oreo and an apple or two Oreos and an apple, right? Scientifically, it's a numbers game, right? Obviously we know apples have vitamins and minerals and nutrients and food from the earth is the best. No doubt about it.

[00:49:19] If you can eat all whole foods, game on, right? But if you're eating 200 calories of an apple and 200 calories of Oreos and it's like, like what I mean, like in balance, it's not going to make you put on body fat if you're not overeating your calories, right? So like, that's why like you can eat a multitude of different foods and lose body fat. You can eat Kit Kats and lose weight. Yeah, absolutely. Like you can, it's, you 100% can. It's just this, the only way to do that and learn what that means for you.

[00:49:48] And again, this is my spiel is tracking. I'm a huge advocate of tracking. Do you still track all the time? Um, no, I actually have been intuitive eating right now for at least three years. Yeah. Nice. You did it. I tracked for 10 though. I tracked for 10 years. 10 years. But you learned like you could look at a plate and know how many calories roughly, how many grams of protein. Yeah. So once you get to the point and do you keep a running total in your head of like protein throughout the day?

[00:50:18] Oh yeah. Well I eat, so I eat the same things 90% of the week. And then my variables, like my fun, like I don't really variable off my day to day. Yeah. And then my fun food is like when I, like last night I was with Pat's game, we went out to dinner. It's like, I had bang bang cauliflower. I had a wing. I had an espresso martini. And then I had steak and shrimp on a beet salad. Like those are my fun meals. Yeah. And that way, like, that way, like it doesn't really do anything.

[00:50:46] You know, like I hit my protein before I went to the game because like for me as a recovering fat girl, I have to, I have to maintain a level of satiation, right? For, I don't even know if that's a word, but in my head that's a word. You know, so like before I go out, one tool that I'll share is like, I make sure I get my protein. If I know I'm going out, going out to dinner or going out to an event or whatever, I hit my protein before I get there.

[00:51:13] That way, if I do want to pick at apps or cheese and crackers or have a Prosecco or whatever, my protein's done and I'm going into that meal full, halfway full. I got you. So I don't really eat anymore because I keep myself very, obviously like I'm human and I glitch, but like a big part of my healing with like eating disorders is I eat, I just eat every couple of hours. Like sometimes it's a Rice Krispie Treat. Sometimes it is chicken and broccoli.

[00:51:42] Sometimes today I have, what do I have? I have a protein bar in my car because I'm not here today, but I eat the same things. It makes it easier. I love having the same breakfast every day. I don't get sick of it. Well, I won't say I don't. Every now and then I'll change it up a little bit, but then I just, that works for me and I get my seven, 800 calories to start the day and 60 grams of protein. Yeah. Way to roll.

[00:52:08] And then I'm not starving an hour later and start eating crap. So it does, it makes the life, the, the, the normal life a little easier that way. There was a story. I heard a Hugh Jackman who plays Wolverine. I've mentioned this once or twice on the show, but you guys have to listen to it again. He was calling the rock and trying to get information on nutrition and all that have you do it. And the rock was in the middle of, of shooting a movie in his trailer. And Hugh Jackman's telling the story.

[00:52:38] He's like, yeah, I heard them calling for Dwayne to come out. And he's like, I'm on the phone Wolverine. You got to wait. And he's talking to him about, uh, Jackman was asking him about his cheat meal. And the rock's like, well, what'd you have? He goes, well, I had a burger and fries. He goes, dude, that's not a cheat meal. Look at this. And he takes the phone and he pans and their burgers and pizza and all this just stuff. Oh my God. And I mean, the rock's huge. So calorically, that's, it's not going to happen. That's probably, yeah.

[00:53:08] He can eat so much. But once a week, he just mows it down and then he's clean the rest of the time and it works for him. But it was funny. It was definitely funny. Yeah. I, uh, I don't do like, I don't, I'm not a cheat meal person. I'm some, because I think there's a psychological, a lot of people like associate cheat as a free-for-all. And then I'm not, I'm not big on stuff. I do, I'm not, I don't do cheat meals. I'm. So what do you do? If you want.

[00:53:35] You try to keep it clean as much as possible. And then if you. Um, I don't even say that. I just balance my calories day to day. So if I want to, if I make a pan of giardelli brownies and I want one every day, I just work it in. I love it. I love it. Yeah. That's perfect. Um, so you are kind to yourself. You're not, you're not trashing yourself in your head on what you eat. You've learned enough along the way and you know how to make it last and you can actually enjoy life. Yeah.

[00:54:02] And that's, and that's the goal for most people is to, people don't want to track the rest of their lives. They really don't. You know? So, but I always say you have to earn the right to not track. Right. I like that. And so until you've maintained your goal physique for, uh, on a 365 scale through the holidays, through summer, whatever, you're not ready to just intuitive eat. If you're not able to keep your body fat at a healthy level, you know, you have to do some form of intentional. Yeah. So I don't want to take your whole day. We're close to an hour and I didn't even realize that. Is there.

[00:54:32] I was going to say, is that the normal? Uh, this is on the longer. I'm usually cut about 40, 45. Sorry. No, I, I appreciate it. It's all gold so far. What's, um, if you were to leave people with a piece of advice or something you've learned along the way, what would that be? I'm going to have a piece of advice while I'm on the way. I'm definitely just putting you on the spot here too. So yeah, no, I love it. No, I, I work better under pressure.

[00:55:02] Um, I say this quote a lot and I'm going to try to articulate it in a way that's meaningful, but like embrace your reality. Like I think a lot of people, I, I, I see this quote, this is put on Instagram. This is not my saying, but like, don't wish for it more than you're willing to work for it. And you have to, you really do have to fall in love with the process of health. And I think if you don't, then you're always going to struggle. Like I'm not going to lie.

[00:55:30] Like some, some days or I'm again, I say, I use this all the time. Like I'm a recovering fat girl. Like I love food. If you put something in front of me, I'm going to eat it. There's not any food. I'm, I'll go anywhere. Anything that has to do with food. I love like eating is my favorite hobby. Um, but I think in this day and age, we live in a very like, I don't want to say like victim mentality, but like food is just, it's so accessible. And I think embracing the reality of what you, you have to eat for the body you want to look like.

[00:56:00] And then sooner that you accept that reality, like I said, embrace the reality, it becomes easier when you're like, I want to have really good digestion. Well, then you're going to have to probably eat the same things most of the time and balance that. And instead of being like, I have to do this every day. It's like, all right, this one doing it's like, when I tell clients all the time, I eat the same things. And they're like, how do you do that? You get sick of it. I'm like, no, because I love the energy I have. I love the muscle definition I have.

[00:56:28] I love how good I look in clothes where before I couldn't even, I would shop the old Navy sale rack for two hours because I was so embarrassed to like get dressed. Like I don't care about eating grilled chicken twice a day. It doesn't, I, cause I love how I look and feel and it's ripping the bandaid off. And again, embracing that reality. And as soon as you accept it, it like, like I said, it doesn't feel this heavy thing. Like I think a lot of people make health and fitness is like, oh, I got to eat. I got to make some egg whites this morning.

[00:56:55] And it's like, oh, I get to make egg whites and like have good digestion and like have not bloating anymore and lose body fat and feel good about myself. And I think if I could leave anything, it's don't make it this heavy thing. It's no matter where you are, what you do the rest of your life. If you want to live a long, healthy life, this is the stuff you have to do. You have to pay attention. You have to plan your protein out. And I always tell people, you don't have to do anything. You don't have to do it.

[00:57:23] But if you want to look a certain way and feel a certain way and not be the average American, the average American woman right now is a size 16. They just came off that stack. So we have to do not average people if you don't want to look a certain way. And so, you know, embrace your reality. Don't make it this heavy thing. And it's like if you do it and eat the same things for a little while and create a routine for yourself, it creates less anxiety. I don't have any anxiety. I used to have so much anxiety around food.

[00:57:52] I had no anxiety around food because it's like I just know what I need to do. I need to know what I need to do when I travel, all this stuff. So like if you want to go to a Vegas pool party tomorrow, I don't need to diet for it. I'm just like, all right, I'll pack my bag. Let's go. And that mentality of just being able to live in a healthy body, 365, it elevates your whole life. I'm successful because I'm in shape. I wouldn't be where I'm at, successful, making money, driving the car, traveling how I am, if I wasn't in shape, truly.

[00:58:22] You know, so it trickles into your entire life. I wouldn't be with the guy I'm with or the husband I'm with. I wouldn't have the confidence I have. I wouldn't be who I am if I was not. You wouldn't have the life you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the sooner you embrace that, it's hard at first. It's like taking off on an airplane, right? You're taking off. There's little bumps and turbulence. But once you're on cruise, man, poof. Yeah, then you're good to go.

[00:58:52] It's nice. I like it. I like it. Well, thank you. Amy, how can people get in touch with you, whether the performance side or the Pearls girls or Pearls guys? Um, honestly, Instagram. Okay. I love Instagram DMs. Um, I personally like my little thing is I like to see someone. They like, I like to see a face with a name. Yeah. So I have a business phone number. I can send you a few. If someone reaches out to you, I can send you my description and all that. Yeah. Yeah. Just put my Instagram handle.

[00:59:22] I check it. I check it like my email now. Like, you know what I mean? Like with social media nowadays, like just DM me. That's not a problem. Awesome. Well, Amy, I really appreciate you taking the time today and hopping on with us. Thank you very, very much. No, thank you so much. I appreciate it. It was so nice to talk to you and get some stuff out there. And I apologize if I squirrel. I like, I always call me squirrel. You're good. You're good. And I'll clean up all the swears that slipped out. I'll make you know. Oh, I literally just almost said shit. Sorry.

[00:59:53] No, you're good. You're good. It's easy. I told you, easy to clean it up. So we're good. Awesome. Thank you everybody for listening. And we'll catch you in the next one.